93eg2james

Alright, very confusing situation, and I need some serious help.

Ok, heres a quick rundown. I did my b20vtec swap, used a LS dizzy with al leg cut off as a temp solution. Went and got a gsr dizzy, and now the car will not start! And theres something that worries me...

Itt sounds like the timing belt snapped becuase there is no sputter when i start. Its just a continous cranking noise. I checked the t-belt, and its completely fine, no problems. Car is still in time. Im getting fuel and no CEL, so wtf could cause this problem?! I just dont get it! The only thing I could think of is im currently running a stock LS ecu, but I dont think it would produce this problem, or the lack of the sputtering noise before starting... The only sign of life I get is little pops from the exhaust

HELP!!!!

93eg2james

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9_dKCkhTs

listen to this clip. see how it has a beat to it when its cranking? mine just makes this one monotone cranking noise. Could it be the ECU?

Manga_Spawn

Are you getting spark?

93eg2james

very little

93eg2james

could it be a starter relay? How can I tell if my starter relay is good? also where would it be located in a 93 del sol?

EDIT: Is the main relay, what I'm refuring to as a starter relay? if so, then its fine, it clicks after the pump primes.

93eg2james

also, would a burn iat sensor keep the car from starting?

Preferio

So, it was running fine until you put in the GSR distributor? Or was it the same thing, and you were hoping the new distributor would fix it?

93eg2james

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PreFerio &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, it was running fine until you put in the GSR distributor? Or was it the same thing, and you were hoping the new distributor would fix it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

car was running fine when i took the ls dizzy off. put the gsr one on and now it wont start. i forgot to add thyat when i did the swap i mixed up the IAT and EVAP sensors. this did fry my p28, but did nothing to the ls ecu.

93eg2james

just went outside to jump the service port to see what codes i would get... only made me more confused.

the light would just blink on and off in a steady pattern. it would blink every 2 seconds continuously... what does this mean?

Preferio

Rule of thumb, if something was working fine, and you changed one thing, it's the part you changed that is at fault, or somethhing related to it. Where'd you get the distributor from?

93eg2james

its my 3rd refurbed dizzy. cant get the old one back cause napa sent it in as a core.

Preferio

I worked for a couple of different parts stores over 5 years before becoming a service writer, and I've ran into A1 Cardone distributors, more so recently than before, that came out of the box, and they were defective. Nissan and Honda distributors were the ones that were having this problem. I'd be willing to bet that you got a faulty one, and you should take it back and warranty it out. If you make a big enough fuss, you can manage to get your money back, and your core charge back. Also, another thing you should think about, Dorman offers brand new, loaded distributors for honda's that aren't much more than remanufactured ones. I checked it out for you, and the Dorman part number for a new, loaded distributor is 690-155. Advance, AutoZone, and O'Reilly's carry these.

na+b18c_hatch

i agree. if that's the only thing you changed then it's probably the problem. and no, the starter relay is not the same as the main relay. if you know where the main relay is, sometimes you can get it to start by cranking it and tapping on the relay. give that a shot, if it doesn't work then its probably the distributor.

I'm Trying

Are you sure that you have it timed right???
I think that is your problem! I'm shocked no one has said this!
Whenever you change the distributor you need to have it in the same position as the engine itself or it won't get spark correctly!!!

93eg2james

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I’m Trying &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you sure that you have it timed right???
I think that is your problem! I'm shocked no one has said this!
Whenever you change the distributor you need to have it in the same position as the engine itself or it won't get spark correctly!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, good point, but i really really doubt it. reason being is it is almost exactly where it was before. even if the timing was a little advanced or retarded i dont think it would completely keep the car from starting.

i want to know if anyone has had the same weird starter noise as me. the starter just rotates. it doesnt have the normal "da-dada-da-dada" sound that a starter makes when rotating... this confuses me.

I'm Trying

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93eg2james &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yeah, good point, but i really really doubt it. reason being is it is almost exactly where it was before. even if the timing was a little advanced or retarded i dont think it would completely keep the car from starting.

i want to know if anyone has had the same weird starter noise as me. the starter just rotates. it doesnt have the normal "da-dada-da-dada" sound that a starter makes when rotating... this confuses me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

going by the sound of the engine in your clip it sounds like the engine isn't timed right. Do you have a repair manual for that engine??

93eg2james

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I’m Trying &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

going by the sound of the engine in your clip it sounds like the engine isn't timed right. Do you have a repair manual for that engine??</TD></TR></TABLE>

that not my car in that clip. i used that clip to demonstrate how my car DID NOT have that destintive starter beat to it. the sound i described as "da-dada-da-dada". I DONT HAVE that sound, the car in that clip DOES HAVE IT. I do have a helms for a gsr, but obviously there is going to be some differences with a b20vtec motor

I'm Trying

well that would work too. Just go to the removing/replacing portion of the manual and follow those steps and see what happens.

93eg2james

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I’m Trying &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well that would work too. Just go to the removing/replacing portion of the manual and follow those steps and see what happens.</TD></TR></TABLE>

follow what steps? timing the car?

I'm Trying

What I said. <U>REMOVING THE DISTRIBUTOR AND REPLACING.</U> What I mean is remove the dist. that you just installed, and follow the directions that the Helms manual says to install a distributor. I am willing to bet you have it installed incorrectly.

93eg2james

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I’m Trying &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I said. <U>REMOVING THE DISTRIBUTOR AND REPLACING.</U> What I mean is remove the dist. that you just installed, and follow the directions that the Helms manual says to install a distributor. I am willing to bet you have it installed incorrectly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The dist. will only go in one way. The fins are not meant to be reversable, and it takes some forcing to get them in wrong. I think there is a better chance that the dist itself is bad...

I built the motor and swapped it, pretty sure i can put a dizzy in alright

I'm Trying

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93eg2james &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The dist. will only go in one way. The fins are not meant to be reversable, and it takes some forcing to get them in wrong. I think there is a better chance that the dist itself is bad...

I built the motor and swapped it, pretty sure i can put a dizzy in alright </TD></TR></TABLE>

and you are asking for help why then?? I was only offering up my help but ok.
Good luck!

b16nonoy

if the head rebuilt..maybe you need to adjust the valves..they could be open...that is wat was happening to my b16 setup

93eg2james

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16nonoy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if the head rebuilt..maybe you need to adjust the valves..they could be open...that is wat was happening to my b16 setup</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hit the nail on the head! Nicely done! Couldn't figure anything out, and my head was re machined so I took it apart to see what I could find. One of my valve guides was way out. It's getting repaired tomorrow, and I will hopeful have the head back soon.

THANKS!