motor_man

alright i just got a 98 dx coupe a few weeks ago and i cant decide on wat i want to do to it, its just a daily i have a mint si crx that im going to build the motor from the ground up thats my dream car (im going to leave the bodie stock except for rims and tint). but for the dx i dont kno if i want to turbo the stock d16y7 motor or get motor swap, the car now has some kind of after market headers 4-2-1 it has a real aem cold air, it might have a stage two cam not sure havent checked it, it has a aem cam gear and a horrible magnaflo exshust. i just want a fast daily that i can beat the average integra/ prelude, and the infamus mustang gt/ 5.0. i have a $3,500 budget not a cent more and after that im finished with that car except for general upkeep. any ANY suggestions would be greatly apreciated im open to anything in my budget. thanks


Modified by motor_man at 9:20 PM 6/7/2007

Racing rice

A Turbo kit on the D16 will get you want just be sure to factor in Tuning into the overall cost. It would be a waste to do that work, and blow up the motor.

The swap is always a viable option as long as you can source a motor and stay within your budget. Don't forget to factor in the small things, mounts, etc.

With enough research and hunting you maybe able to piece together both if you take your time and look around.

motor_man

well besides for tuning the turbo. but it wouldent be a big turbo im talkin about small boost, so u dont think the stock motor could handle boost?

Racing rice

That depends on many factors. The current condition on the motor especially. You should always have the current motor checked out before even attempting an install. You may find that it needs more work then you think. A stock engine in good condition can handle a small amount of boost on stock internals without a problem aslong as it's tuned properly (A/F ratios, etc.) Not to mention, dyno time will optimize your power safely. After all, isn't that what it's all about? Getting the most out of the engine without spending a fortune in the process. Sometimes dyno tuning can net you more gains then the actual install itself. Especially in the long run.

motor_man

yea thats wat its all about but from wat ive heard getting a car on a dyno can cost a pretty penny plus im still not sure wat i want but im getting the car checked out thanks to my lady and even without that the cars in great shape and purs like a kittn and threres records showing oil changes, and full tune ups but ill kno once i get it checked.

Racing rice

Getting it checked out is always a good place to start. You'll find out real quick if it's even worth putting money into. It can make your decision a lot more easy. Yes, dyno time can be expensive. Thats why I mentioned it. It can cost as much as a few hundred an hour. Some clubs/groups have dyno days which they can get dyno tuning done cheaper then usual. Some places around here do it for like $100 an hour on such days.. Just make sure it's a fairly reputable company.

motor_man

alright yea ill look into it thanks but just for kicks if IF i do decide to turbo how much psi do u think the d16y7 can handle

motor_man

ok well i have a job site i have to visit, if any one has any comments/suggestions/or ideas please reply PLEASE.

Racing rice

You can usually get about 8psi on stock internals with a good tune and proper parts kit. More importantly, you should be able to get about 200Hp on the stock internals. Maybe more if everything is spot on..


Modified by Racing rice at 8:01 PM 6/7/2007

VTECth1s

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Well it depends on the turbo the OP is using that will make his car reach 200+ whp. The OP could do a rebuild for a boosted application, doing a compression and leak down test to see what needs to be replaced, then source a custom turbo kit or a bolt-on turbo kit from greddy, revhard, etc. Along with supporting mods with that turbo setup, then have it tuned which is most crucial of all. Turbo'd d-series is more in your budget, if you don't want to swap out a new motor like a b-series then doing turbo on it.

motor-honda_p

bump

motor-honda_p

well the money im using for the dx was mostly givin to me from my girl and i want a fast daily so the set amount is wat i have for that car plus she wants it to go faster and shes sayin turbo it in my ear all the time so i said pay for it and ill think of somthing &lt;i made this profile cause i only have 5 post a day and i need to think of sumthing fast or else she wont pay for it&gt;

motor-honda_p

bump / ek forever guy/ anyone?

ridin98civic

get the motor tested to make sure its healthy, then boost it. im shooting for a 200+ whp d16y8 for under 2000 right now.

motor-honda_p

well had it looked at all day today guy said it was good but left there for more tests. wat psi are u running?

ridin98civic

its really not about what psi more what you have as a power goal. however i will be shooting for 200+ at not more than 10 psi.
theres my thread, if you need some ideas
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1982900

gtlaw1

your probably better off getting a better car for a fast reliable DD.. I just made the mistake of getting a DX because I never thought I could get an EK so cheap, but in retrospect I wouldn't have wasted my time the car doesn't even have swaybars! if you really want an awesome DD and have $3500 to spend making it quick just sell the DX and get a 91-94 sentra se-r you'll spend a ton of money trying to make your honda as good as these are

motor-honda_p

alright thanks man my goal is to to get about 200whp if i do boost but i dont want to get to much boost and blow the motor up but yea thanks

ridin98civic

91-94 se-r
Engine Code: SR20DE
Horse Power: 140 @ 6400rpm
Torque: 132 lb/ft @ 4800rpm
RPM limited at 7500rpm (200SX SE-R is limited to 7100rpm)
Displacement: 1998cc
Compression: 9.5:1
0-60mph: approx. 7.6 to 8.3 seconds
1/4mile: approx. 15.8 seconds

yea thats real fast
boosted d

gtlaw1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ridin98civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">91-94 se-r
Engine Code: SR20DE
Horse Power: 140 @ 6400rpm
Torque: 132 lb/ft @ 4800rpm
RPM limited at 7500rpm (200SX SE-R is limited to 7100rpm)
Displacement: 1998cc
Compression: 9.5:1
0-60mph: approx. 7.6 to 8.3 seconds
1/4mile: approx. 15.8 seconds

yea thats real fast
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but it has a lsd, front and rear swaybars, and an engine with strong internals that will handle more power than any stock honda setup.just look at what you'll spend making a dx equal it. besides for a quick DD its faster, and better than a stock gsr or ek si

Libertariat

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but it has a lsd, front and rear swaybars, and an engine with strong internals that will handle more power than any stock honda setup.just look at what you'll spend making a dx equal it. besides for a quick DD its faster, and better than a stock gsr or ek si</TD></TR></TABLE>


"Welcome to H-T, Please check all SR20's, 5.0's, SRT-4, VW's, at the door. You may pick them up when you leave."

gtlaw1

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"Welcome to H-T, Please check all SR20's, 5.0's, SRT-4, VW's, at the door. You may pick them up when you leave."</TD></TR></TABLE>

forgot to mention it also has rear discs

I would love to swap my sr20 out of my rusty se-r and into my shiny new honda, but there would be a problem with getting emissions testing since the honda is obd 2, axles would also be a real pain

Libertariat

If I had $3500 I'd get an LS with a gsr/b16 tranny and turbo it.

You'd even have money left over for aesthetics/suspension.

There's several things you could do, you could even budget an h2b with $3500 and put your civic in the 12's.

OR build your d and boost it.

Too many things to do, $3500 has potential.

jblunt

with 3,500 i would do a motor swap

motor_man

well thank u every one. today i purchased a wrecked si vtech del sol for $500, im going to swap the motor my self i have vtech controls and everything i need plus mounts to mod and with the money left over im going to tune and boost hopefuly every thing works and soon ill be working on my crx and i will probaly need help with that knowing my luck! and again thank you if u guys want progress pics in such ill be posting the motor swap and i might have questions that need to be answered.