a1320honda

i have a 92 hatch with the jdm d15b vtec with basic bolt ons right now, going to be getting a fpr and gauge. the car is gutted weighing in at 1990 lbs on half a tank of gas. what else do i need to do to get this thing to go mid to high 13's. also i have the dx tranny right now with tall friggin gears, wanting to buy an ex, si tranny. i was thinking a n/a cam, mill the head, cam gear, header, full 2" exhaust with either test pipe, or high flow cat, and slicks. what else.

dohcMONSTER

first the si tranny wont work its a B series tranny on a D series motor, second go boost or squeeze cuz your gonna need a lot of bolt ons and work to get it into 13's on that motor.

5STAR3

there is only one bolt on that will achive your goal.

it looks like this.

a1320honda

i was talking about the 92-95 hatch si, i have all the stuff laying around to turbo the thing, but i would like to see how far i can get n/a

Nice_Dc2r

i beleive hes talking about the 92-95 si (sohc d series) tranny not the 99-00 si B series tranny

Dyzee

you can get it as far as you'd want N/A...just depends on how far your wallet can take you.

dohcMONSTER

noted. thank you just making sure

SOHC_MShue

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ever heard of a 92-95 civic si that comes with a z6 motor in it buddy?
edit: my bad others already corrected you

To hit mid 13's all motor you are gonna need to really build the motor. Port the head, maybe stage 3 crower cam, bisi header, fully upgraded valvetrain, d16a1 pistons for a high 12.xx:1 compression ratio, maybe milled head, cam gear to tune the cam, i/e, test pipe, maybe a few other things like ecu upgrade or run hondata, also make sure you raise the rev limiter so you can make the most out of your cam by revving higher.

Its really gonna take a lot to get into mid 13's all motor with that motor. Mid to low 14's shouldn't be too hard though. Oh and also I would buy a really agressive cam for that motor such as the crower stage 3 like I said before because your motor already has an agressive cam that can be somewhat comparable to a zex stage 1 or even close to a stage 2. User eg6ajk only dynoed a 4whp gain with the zex stage 2 on his jdm d15b.

BauleyCivic

I was gonna provide a long speech for you but matt did it for me

But yeah mid 13's is going to be easier and cheaper to attain with boost than N/A

a1320honda

well like i said, ive got a couple more things to do to get the weight down, looking to be right around 1950 lbs, so with the weight drop, the motor work, slicks, if not 13's, what do you guys think, mid to low 14's. im a fairly good driver been to two driving schools. i mean i had a 91 accord 4dr lx with bolt ons and managed a 15.112 at 89mph on slicks. i was told this was really good. ive been doing road racing but kinda want to try the strip for this season.

MikeNice

Going turbo will probably get you to 13's fastest but either way its gonna take some work. If you do a basic B-Series then your still only doing like mid 14's and you will probably get the same result if you do turbo with like 6 psi on a SOHC. I would say do a b16 or b18c turbo and you will reach your goal in no time.

a1320honda

naah, im not down with the b series, i want to do someting different than all the other people around here, which are all b series stuff.

IWearMyKswiss

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you wont be doing anything different,..there is alot of people with single cam screamers

adddddaaammmm

hitting 13s on a d15 is pretty tough... youd have to go f/i for sure to achieve that goal.. good luck tho man.. id be hella suprised if you hit 13s on a d15 with just simple bolt on mods like you have..

a1320honda

with 1950lbs what kind of hp would i need to make even a 13.999. ive been told with this weight is about 155 at the wheels which is about 170-173 at the crank. the stock d15b vtec makes 129 stock, with al of these mods is it going to be that hard to nail an extra 40 or so horse out of p&p, milling, a fat cam, cam gear, lightened flywheel, slicks, open exhaust? another q?, whould it hurt or help to dump the exhaust at the cat at the track, like just remove the cat entirely?

1990hondaHF

There was a guy on here that hit mid 13's with a stock D15d vtec. I thing he ran 8PSI.....his name was something like eg6hatch...I'll see if I can find him. Anyway you look at it, mid 13's with a junkyard turbo and an engine for under $1500 is a hell of a deal!

B18C5-EH2

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Exactly.

If you have a honda there's NOTHING you can do to be different these days - it's all been done before.

I currently run these in 3 different hatches:

B16A2
B18C5
D16A6 with 11:1CR awaiting on the built head and cam

Who says you can't enjoy both?

As far as high 13's on slicks it's not that hard N/A. I'd say a bump in CR, a fully worked head, and a good cam. Not too hard, but certainly EXPENSIVE. Also you are starting out at a disadvantage with a 1.5L. If I were you I'd ditch the 1.5L and go straight for the D16Z6 or D16Y8 or a non-VTEC D16A6, D16Y7, etc.

The easiest way to get there would be boost.

Either method will be costly and probably about as much as a good old B16a swap after you figure in the labor to build the set-ups along with the parts tabs.

Of course I'm assuming that you are not able to build your own engine.

If you can build your own engine then sure it's cheaper to build a D and run quicker than stock B16A swaps, but the moment you figure in labor you might as well get a swap. Anyone can swap and engine, but building one takes a certain level of smarts and the necessary tools as well.

SOHC_MShue

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by a1320honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">with 1950lbs what kind of hp would i need to make even a 13.999. ive been told with this weight is about 155 at the wheels which is about 170-173 at the crank. the stock d15b vtec makes 129 stock, with al of these mods is it going to be that hard to nail an extra 40 or so horse out of p&p, milling, a fat cam, cam gear, lightened flywheel, slicks, open exhaust? another q?, whould it hurt or help to dump the exhaust at the cat at the track, like just remove the cat entirely?</TD></TR></TABLE>
honestly 155whp is really gonna take a built d series motor. Its not all that easy to get that much power, but it can definantely be done. PM user builthatch on here. I think he made 160whp on his all motor d16y8.

Happyman

his name was eg6turbo. I believe he made like 202 to the wheels on 10 psi. If you look up boostsoffast on here he has a 92-95 si hatch with the greddy kit. On 7 psi with some BFG Gforces and a 1.9 60' he netted a 13.6. I have a heavy del sol and on 8 psi i went 14.1 which is an ok time but I can do better. I'm at 10 psi now. I say go turbo its a hell of a lot of fun.

Happyman

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honestly 155whp is really gonna take a built d series motor. Its not all that easy to get that much power, but it can definantely be done. PM user builthatch on here. I think he made 160whp on his all motor d16y8. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's actually an all motor y7 :-P

B18C5-EH2

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honestly 155whp is really gonna take a built d series motor. Its not all that easy to get that much power, but it can definantely be done. PM user builthatch on here. I think he made 160whp on his all motor d16y8. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Also let me add that I've ran 13.3@101mph on baby slicks in a 2040lb. car making 175whp with 122ft-lbs. of torque to the wheels. the D series will make nowhere near 120ft-lbs. of torque. Also consider that the B tranny I have is way shorter and more ideal for acceleration than any D series tranny.

155whp might land you in high 13's on slicks, but mid 13's will be tough.

SOHC_MShue

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It's actually an all motor y7 :-P</TD></TR></TABLE>

no its a vtec motor. I know it at least has a y8 head. If it was a y7 he wouldn't have the crower stage 2 cam in there that is made for vtec d series.

edit: i just remembered....he used to have a built y7 on nitrous. He does however have a y8 now though. It dynoed at 164whp.


Modified by SOHC_MShue at 11:44 AM 3/16/2004

The Internet Tough Guy

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yes.

keep the DX tranny, get a 4.9 final, quaife lsd, zc 3rd, 4th, and 5th gearsets. on 20 slicks. here's your shift points: 26 48 63 82 109 you'll be coming close to the rev limiter in 5th by the finish line. now that's effective gearing for ya. in a 2000lb car with a nicely built D, and with the crazy gearing above, i think you could hit 13s.

1990hondaHF

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"eg6turbo" Yeh, that was his name. Think about it...d15b engine about $400....junkyard turbo kit..$700.....blowing the doors of a Mustang....priceless!

_HANS

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im really not a nooob.i forgot my account password. but good luck gettin to mid 13's NA with a sohc