volc0m08

I'm basically wondering what do you guys think is better for a reliable dailydriver/fast car. I'm planning to go all motor here. I don't really kno how much about these just that ls/vtec consists of b18b1 block with b16 head and poor man's type r consist of b18c1 block and b16 head with type r internals. I just wanted to see your guys' opinion on these two motors.

Kyles ej1

i have 2 friends both with poor mans type r and they both ran low 13's in an eg as a daily driver

Kyles ej1

heres their setup-

-gsr block, b16 head with itr valvetrain and itr tranny. -13.2 on azenis

-gsr block, b16 head, b16 tranny. -13.5 on slicks

Paulnsx

def poor man's r - oil squirters

the only benefit of th ls/vtec is the slightly longer stroke... i'd def take the reliability of the gsr block over that anyday.

sluggishEG

i wanted LSVTEC at first...but seeing the poorman typeR perform and its reliability...it changed my mind.

b204dr

cost essentially gsr blocks are more expensive ls blocks are dime a dozen - !

Lee_Delso

Gotta say poorman's type R hands down cause I'm building one right now....haha.

Nextelbuddy

wait why would you put a B16 head onto a GSR block with stock internals? wouldnt the compression drop? as fasr as i now the combution chambers on the P72 head are tigher and causing slightly higher compression with the P72 pistons in the B18c1 block

maybe im just wrong lol

duggy

thats what i was trying to figure out. the gsr has more compression than the b16 right?

LaosGuySi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lee_Delso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gotta say poorman's type R hands down cause I'm building one right now. </TD></TR></TABLE>

same here

handa

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nextelbuddy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait why would you put a B16 head onto a GSR block with stock internals? wouldnt the compression drop? as fasr as i now the combution chambers on the P72 head are tigher and causing slightly higher compression with the P72 pistons in the B18c1 block

maybe im just wrong lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

interesting. i'd like to know this as well.

TurboEH2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nextelbuddy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait why would you put a B16 head onto a GSR block with stock internals? wouldnt the compression drop? as fasr as i now the combution chambers on the P72 head are tigher and causing slightly higher compression with the P72 pistons in the B18c1 block

maybe im just wrong lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

ur right, a b16 or itr head on a gsr block is lower compression than a gsr head on a gsr block.

HitEm'Up

LS/Vtec

dohcdelsol93

Ls/vtec, built the right way.

Lee_Delso

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nextelbuddy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait why would you put a B16 head onto a GSR block with stock internals? wouldnt the compression drop? as fasr as i now the combution chambers on the P72 head are tigher and causing slightly higher compression with the P72 pistons in the B18c1 block

maybe im just wrong lol</TD></TR></TABLE>


you are correct sir, that's why uo would have to replace the p72 pistons with the itr ones or wlse the ctr pistons. What I did was replaced the p72 with some itr pistons and that should raise the com back up.

sluggishEG

There are soo many ways to build it nowadays...What is the right way to build it?

B16aDasher

If you got the money, i vote poor man's type r.

vtec y0

I vote poor man's R

kaoss_11

I love to hear people say ls-v isnt reliable. Of course it wont be reliable when some kid does a half as build and wants to rev to 10 k daily
b20 vtec imo

RedDC5

i say po' mans TR, i want one

RedDC5

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93ejay1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">heres their setup-

-gsr block, b16 head with itr valvetrain and itr tranny. -13.2 on azenis

-gsr block, b16 head, b16 tranny. -13.5 on slicks</TD></TR></TABLE>

Holy crap, i definitely want one now.

t0ekn3e

^^ makes me want one

Combustion Contraption

204hp
154.4 ft/lb tq

LS/VTEC gets my vote.

HiProfile

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93ejay1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">heres their setup-

-gsr block, b16 head with itr valvetrain and itr tranny. -13.2 on azenis

-gsr block, b16 head, b16 tranny. -13.5 on slicks</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm just wondering - what's the rest of their setups, ie shell, gutted/street car, other mods? The guy who does most of the swaps & trannies around here has an eg with built ls/vtec - he hit 12.9 with a pinch of 50shot in 3rd, usually low 13's w/o.

If you do it right, almost anything can be reliable. Same for if you treat it right. I doubt a poor man's type r could be bounced off a 10k redline in ever gear ever day as a daily driver. It might last a tad longer, only because of the piston speed, the rod strength, and oil squirters. Forged pistons diminish the need for squirters and can be coated if you really want to go all-out.


For the price and a heavy car, [LS or CR-V]/Vtec, for a car with lots of supporting mods, PM's Type-R. There's just something about vtec pulling all the way past the stock tach's upper limit...

T4eg

why not use the LS crank and rods. in the gsr block? get the rods milled down and get some ctr pistons. and get tuned. Did a simular setup 7.7@ on slicks 1/8mile. daily driver

Chris