vartok

After having random engine issure for the whole 2 years ive had the car... this tax season its time to so something about it... here are my 2 options

1. theres a guy localy that has a fresh rebuilt d16z6 for 800. mostly oem honda parts except for bolts, bearing, head studs, valve springs and a crowler stage 1 cam.... get that and turbo parts... i happen to have a Saab 900 turbo laying around that should work nicely

2. order this HMO - b16a swap kit. though i do have a few questions about that... is there anything else i will need to go with that? keep in mind my cars currently an auto, but i do have the 99% of the parts to do the auto-manual conversion for a d series.

doctorake

Goals, budget?

vartok

right now, comething that runs well... if i do the rebuilt D, im probally got try for 210-220 HP... if i do the swap, turbo will be next year

very very hard budget limit of 3500, would love to get it for less than that though

PerfectionIsKey

B-series. You will have much more fun in the car and enjoy it SO much more.

with a hard budget of 3500$ i would go with a COMEPLETE GSR changeover http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30009 you can look around on craigs for a LSD tranny if you wanna go that route also. I know a few people that have bought GSR's off HMO and they ran freaking BEAUTIFULLY and they where so clean it was insane that it even had 35k miles on it.

vartok

thing is, after shipping, that would be right at my budge and no room for little odds and ends i might need durring the swap

PerfectionIsKey

BUT you can sell the d-series you have right now and make a few hundred(My friend got 550$ for his with 135k miles on it) and that can be used to the little odds and ends. Personally i would go with the GSR because it will fit 90% of your needs. You can DD it but in the future build it for track or drag. They awesome engines and run very strong.

Also since i was already on Craigslist i did the honors of finding a b16 http://bgky.craigslist.org/pts/3527520299.html around 2 hrs from you, maybe he will meet you half way and you can low ball him. Not a GSR but its a complete b16a, personally i would stick with the GSR though.

doctorake

If you are worried about a GSR being a little too much then just go with a b18 and then save a little more and turbo it later on.

vartok

yall have something against the b16s? just asking to see if there is something im missing

gzes

B20 vtec ftw. Get a wrecked crv and gut it and swap

dirty19

iTrader: (1)

Nothing wrong with a b16...I love them!
Reliable and makes decent numbers.
I think its an engine that people love to pick on because it doenst have the same hp than a gsr.
To me thats bs because a fast car isnt about the engine..... its the driver.
Do whats in your budget to do.

PerfectionIsKey

Oh i'm not picking on it, the only reason i even chose the GSR for him is it's a GREAT engine stock. He doesn't want to do much so it makes for a great swap to put in and only do maintenance. I love b16's and use to be my favorite engine, i still love working and building them.

vartok

oh i plan on turboing whatever engine i put in, its just a question of when... for the b16, im thinking 300 would be good, still using that saab turbo

PerfectionIsKey

300$ for a b16? You tell me where your getting this and i'll pick up 10 lmao

vartok

LOL, let me make a correction... 300hp

PerfectionIsKey

Ahh, any reason you are going 300hp for a street car?

vartok

well, i do a bit of autoX and i think anymore wouldnt really be streetable in a FWD car

gzes

i sold my b16 for 300...

PerfectionIsKey

Comeplete swap?
- Tranny?
- block?
- head?
- ECU ?
- Shift Linkage ?
- Alternator ?
- Starter?
- Clutch ?
- Flywheel ?
- Intake Manifold ?
- Exhaust Manifold ?
- Fuel Rail ?
- Injectors ?
- Distributor?

vartok

anyone ever bought one from here: http://www.jshmotors.com/jdm-b16a-si...e-swap_p28.php

save a bit of money and would let me get the LSD

EsotericImage

iTrader: (8)

I have a grudge about B16's. unless theyre boosted they slow as hell. they make more noise then power. at the end of the day its still a 1.6L. the trans is geared lower for the lack of torque and theyre barely faster then a D16Y8 and have an extra cam.

My personal preference is more torque for street driven cars and more HP for track cars.

But to each their own.

Why not just rebuild you engine in your ride now for a few hundred bucks. then boost it.
Ditch the Saab turbo for a garrett T3 super 60 and youll be at 280 to the wheels.

you can do a reliable kit for 2 grand, add pump, injectors,gauges, clutch and tune and your at your 3500 budget.

vartok

bump.... any word on that jsh motors site?

PerfectionIsKey

TBH HMO is MUCH more of a rep'd site. I've never even heard of JSH, just put your money towards HMO it might be more but at least you KNOW you are getting a good engine. It's like buying a water pump, you can get a cheap one on ebay or get a REAL OEM one at your local dealership. Doing a swap isn't cheap in any way shape or form.

doctorake

Go with HMO, there is a reason why everyone suggests them.

dirty19

iTrader: (1)

Theres a good arguement but.....
Change out the B16 tranny for an ITR/LSD
Build the head a little with some CTR cams and itr valve train and the engine is a beast for the track!
You dont need HP to be fast.

sde780

They make no torque.

That still doesn't make it fast lol. B16's make no torque and the OP has said a few times that he's going to boost it. Boosted LS will be much better than a boosted B16 imo.

If you're on a budget, throw some vitaras and rods in the D16. Since you're looking to auto-x the car, I'd say go with a T3 50/60 trim, you'll be able to make 250whp easily. If you want more power get a T3/T4 50 trim and you'll be golden to 350whp

My D16 at 310whp made more torque than my friend's 360whp B16. Same dyno, same tuner.