Slacker93eg

I read a similar post, but I figured I'd make my own cause I have several questions I'm hoping some of you can answer along the way.

Heres the deal, this is my very first Honda (93 hatch), and I really want to do this right the first time, no messing around. I'm debating between a K20 or a B18. And with one of those, I will turbo it as well.

Questions I have at the moment:
1. What are the differences between B18a through c, and the other K20 models?
2. I know there is modification needed for the K20 to be put in, what's an estimated cost for just the parts needed to swap it in?
3. If I chose a B18, how noticeable would the power difference be? I'm currently cruisin around with a basically stock d15 non vtec.
4. My goal is 350-400whp, will the B18 handle this if built correctly? Or would it be cheaper (long run) to go with the K20?
5. I heard K20 transmissions go out like nothing, any input on this?

That's it for now, sorry to seem like a noob guys, just tryin to get my **** straight before I go out and buy a motor

SeanK325

#1 can be dragged on to 20 pages.

i've seen K20 swaps cost about 5-7K. it's not worth the cost yet over a solid B series build. B's will definitely handle the power, but i don't know how much money you expect to put in when you're making so much power.

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your first honda? i say go B-Series. if u want 350-400 whp, it will require boost obviously. you will also have to build the motor to handle the power.

Go with a GSR B18C swap. Even if u run it without boost, you will immediately feel the difference in torque and power.

98civdx

K transmissions have been said to suck. 2 people I know have blown K transmissions while turbo.

Both engines can make 3-400+ easily with the right setup. With that said, both engines will take that and want more.

Because this thread is very likely to end very badly, I have a couple questions. Do you have 10-15k to do the K swap/turbo it? Have you done any sort of reading/research. Not asking to be a dick.

Just to run and tune the K properly will set you back 1k+ the actual tune.
K swaps are very expensive, if you are patient and look for deals, and don't have problems buying used you can do the swap for around 5-10k. 10k on the higher end.

My friend did his for about 5 ish, he now has close to 12-3k in it fixing all of the crap he cheeped out on, and going threw the engine/trans.

BryanM.

iTrader: (1)

Do a B swap, then consider a tougher more expensive swap like a K. Seriously.

As far as what B motor to swap, look at the different engine specs an prices
and decide for yourself.

Slacker93eg

Well I was looking at motors, found a couple K20's for around 1-2000$ range with trans harness etc, but found a TON more b18's for the same price range. Now that I'm not making a car payment anymore, I was going to drive this car till winter, and once winter hit I should have enough saved from car payments for the motor.

right now I'm leaning toward B18, and if the time money and desire ever arose, I could always get a K20 and build it up. I'm definitely not loaded so 10-15k is ridiculous and would take me years haha.

I think a built b18 turbo will tie me over haha. I'm loving this car like crazy already, so I doubt this will be my last Honda. (Never gettin rid of this one though!)

Thanks for the info so far guys

hyperblu

b18c1... More hp and torque than the b18b, and it's a happy medium between the b16 and b18c5 itr motor. For what you spend for a k swap, you can do a nice build on a b18c1...

Slacker93eg

I'm sold on the b18. Not sure if I wanna get the GSR swap for the LSD right away or what

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if u dont want to spend extra money on an LSD now, then u dont need to, it will be pretty quick regardless. when u start making more power, then worry about the LSD.

Eric724

it takes alot of time and money iam doing a b16 in my 92 hatch and so far i have over 4000 in just putting the motor in i paid 2500 for a complete motor with tranny and i bought some aftermarket parts

Slacker93eg

Well the motor is being built before I put it in the car, so the LSD will be done at the same time

civicpwns

k20! everybody does b series swaps. k20 more rare and takes more time and effort

SeanK325

he already said he doesn't have the budget for it. doesn't matter what is more rare. it's about power and fun. for the amount you spend on a k20 swap, you can walk all over it, and then some, with a B18C1/5

98civdx

K swap really are not that rare. My friend was doing one in high school, back when the ran 10-12k just to get it runing.
More time and effort is true, they aren't the easest swap to do, and you deffinetly shouldn't just jump into a K swap.

Besides that, he doesn't have the money to a k turbo the proper way.

There's noithing run with going B and turbo'ing it.

A k would likely make more power while stock/turbo BUT, requires a lot more money/experience to complete.

eghatch9295

iTrader: (1)

im not impressed with stock k series engines. op: you may be finding k motors for 1-2k, but you're forgetting expensive *** items needed to swap the k into your chassis... mounts, kpro, i could keep going but i wont. b series all day over k, especially if you plan to build.

dorkzracing

iTrader: (1)

i have an rsx-s supercharged and an eg with a b18c. even though the parts for the k are more expensive k>b any day. can't wait to do a k24 swap on my eg.

MTracing

Hey, my friend has a 00 si and he just did his swap not to long ago. It's a b20 block with a b18 gsr head. The engkne was built well. He is pushing 250+ whp and it isn't torbued. Be has raced many cars, and took em all. He raced a g35 rsx-s, tl, and a rx8. That thing hauls. I say maybe think about dokng this swap. But he does have some problems with the vtech....but it just needs re tuning.

carvalho1910

i would go k if u got the cash

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

You don't read much do you? There's no budget for a K swap.

carvalho1910

i know some people wit k20 transmission problems...

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

That's nice. He's not going K.

civicsavvy

k's are great all motor setups if you got the money and then if you go turbo i hope you pockets pretty damn big...buddy has allmotor k and walk over some over most civics pushing their shitty 6 lbs..
b motors you could build sleeve etc and push 20 lbs and walk over evos,domestics, etc
i do recommend a gsr with stock lsd right away for the fact that you will need it unless you wanna be running high boost one wheel wondering all the way down the street going nowhere

EKSaldanha

I have been thinking this myself and I have also decided to go the Turbo B route. A good friend of mine recommended a GSR bottom with B16 top end, "poor mans type-R" if I'm not mistaken. Apparently GSRs can handle a good amount of boost bone stock, so you'll have some fun with that
Good Luck

NotAJDMFanBoy

K series:
First, if you're going K series, just get a K24. They are cheaper and it's like getting a b18c instead of a b16. However the swap requires a ton of wiring, one of the mounts needs cut and replaced, another is removed and a different bracket added, you have to figure out how to mount a totally different radiator.
A lot of the cost is getting the fancy expensive parts you really don't "need". There are a lot of used parts out there and alternatives. You can use a H/F series shifter box or one from a DSM. You can use base level RSX axles. The OEM fuel rails could be modified instead of getting a fancy billet one. The exhaust could be fabricated, however the header is probably worth spending some money on.

For the tune, the K series tunes are expensive because you have low cam, hi cam, and have to tune for the VTC adjustment. That is what allows the K series to make such amazing power.

The K series also respond very well to bolt ons, compared to B, D, H, F series which were mediocre at best. It's an actual noticeable power gain instead of just making it a little louder.


B series:
They are cheap, easy, and very straight forward. There's tons of parts, plenty is interchangeable from B, D, F and H series. It's definitely a better place to start instead of jumping in doing a K swap.
B series, you have to go boost if you want over somewhere around 200hp *. Fortunately the tuning isn't that expensive or complex for boost.
*Not sure the exact amount, but I recall this being around where a lot of built NA B series were topping out when I looked.

Dontoh

since its your first honda, go b series. i guarantee this wont be your last honda, and you'll never get it "right".. you'l just get it "better" :p