just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek
07-15-2003, 09:06 AM
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just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek
if so i was wondering what you thought about it , good deal? ,good proformance?.
im asking because mine is in the mail , and please dont tell me that a should have got a itr swap cuz i do not have the extra $$$.
thanks
im asking because mine is in the mail , and please dont tell me that a should have got a itr swap cuz i do not have the extra $$$.
thanks
07-15-2003, 09:38 AM
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i dont think alot of people do cause it pretty much a waste of money...no offense.
Most places sell them for $700 more than a b18c swap. And $700 for 5hp is alot of cash. You could do a P&P head or cams for $700. Even a H22 swap is like a grand less.
But more than i got, and its different. And if you got a good deal, who cares.
Most places sell them for $700 more than a b18c swap. And $700 for 5hp is alot of cash. You could do a P&P head or cams for $700. Even a H22 swap is like a grand less.
But more than i got, and its different. And if you got a good deal, who cares.
07-15-2003, 09:55 AM
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Yeah but do a P&P on a b18c head and get 20hp+ for less than $700. Throw some cams in there an do even better.
Not saying its bad, he asked for opinions. For the money i think there are better choices out there personally.
Not saying its bad, he asked for opinions. For the money i think there are better choices out there personally.
07-15-2003, 10:02 AM
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Re: just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek (spoon vx)
At least you will have something not many have or thing about doing...but their are people out their that try to do CTR conversions and will spend the money to do so.
07-15-2003, 10:10 AM
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Re: (1 point 6)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 point 6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah but do a P&P on a b18c head and get 20hp+ for less than $700. Throw some cams in there an do even better.
Not saying its bad, he asked for opinions. For the money i think there are better choices out there personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
and what about the LSD or close ratio tranny? **** I'd give up my gs-r swap to a B16B anyday.
Not saying its bad, he asked for opinions. For the money i think there are better choices out there personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
and what about the LSD or close ratio tranny? **** I'd give up my gs-r swap to a B16B anyday.
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07-15-2003, 10:12 AM
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Re: just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek (acuracing)
I was seriously confused when i read this thread. Then i re-read the title and saw that it said B16b. Haha, how much did you pay?
07-15-2003, 10:12 AM
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Re: just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek (acuracing)
well imo the price isnt worth it for an itr motor either. type r **** is too overpriced. itr motor for 5000+ rather than a gsr for about 3500. you could just buy a gsr and build it up for cheaper.
07-15-2003, 10:14 AM
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Re: just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek (EGGuy)
Um when was the last time you checked the prices on a B16B and a ITR swap? They are cheaper than 5 grand.
07-15-2003, 10:26 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGGuy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well imo the price isnt worth it for an itr motor either. type r **** is too overpriced. itr motor for 5000+ rather than a gsr for about 3500. you could just buy a gsr and build it up for cheaper.</TD></TR></TABLE>
(just kiddin' when i say this okay - please don't be offended) who taught you math
...if you wanna build a b18c1 to equal or surpass a B18c5 swap (or even b16b) you'll need alot more than 1500.00-
um last time I checked CTR/ITR cams are about 400.00, a good LSD is around 750.00-1000.00, plus engine parts are balance to handle higher RPMS, valve springs are 150.00, not to mention the gear ratios of a CTR ITR are better than GSRs IMO, the only thing i see as "not great" about a B16b motor swap is the lower amount of torque generated compared to a B18c (GSR or ITR) motor
(just kiddin' when i say this okay - please don't be offended) who taught you math
...if you wanna build a b18c1 to equal or surpass a B18c5 swap (or even b16b) you'll need alot more than 1500.00-um last time I checked CTR/ITR cams are about 400.00, a good LSD is around 750.00-1000.00, plus engine parts are balance to handle higher RPMS, valve springs are 150.00, not to mention the gear ratios of a CTR ITR are better than GSRs IMO, the only thing i see as "not great" about a B16b motor swap is the lower amount of torque generated compared to a B18c (GSR or ITR) motor
07-15-2003, 02:21 PM
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Re: (digitalBEEF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by digitalBEEF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
and what about the LSD or close ratio tranny? </TD></TR></TABLE>
what close ratio gearbox? 4.4 fd and same gears as b16a, us OR jdm versions, right?
and what about the LSD or close ratio tranny? </TD></TR></TABLE>
what close ratio gearbox? 4.4 fd and same gears as b16a, us OR jdm versions, right?
07-15-2003, 02:30 PM
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Re: (B16b2b)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16b2b »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what close ratio gearbox? 4.4 fd and same gears as b16a, us OR jdm versions, right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
so your saying the gsr and ctr gears are the same...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 point 6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont think alot of people do cause it pretty much a waste of money...no offense.
Most places sell them for $700 more than a b18c swap. And $700 for 5hp is alot of cash. You could do a P&P head or cams for $700. Even a H22 swap is like a grand less.
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its not just 5hp... the power curve is much different
what close ratio gearbox? 4.4 fd and same gears as b16a, us OR jdm versions, right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
so your saying the gsr and ctr gears are the same...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 point 6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont think alot of people do cause it pretty much a waste of money...no offense.
Most places sell them for $700 more than a b18c swap. And $700 for 5hp is alot of cash. You could do a P&P head or cams for $700. Even a H22 swap is like a grand less.
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its not just 5hp... the power curve is much different
07-15-2003, 04:40 PM
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the b-16b tranny is one of the best for street due to the shorter gears but unless your gonna turbo the b-16 you wont be happy with overall performance. However gsr is always a lovely route. but keep the b-16 b tranny.!! 
you could buy an ls block and do lsvtec the b-16 piston will raise compression and ls vtec is always lovely
you could buy an ls block and do lsvtec the b-16 piston will raise compression and ls vtec is always lovely
07-15-2003, 05:35 PM
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wow, couple misinformation here. ONLY 98+ ITR come with a 4.78 final drive. GSR tranny != ctr/itr tranny.
itr/ctr engine are worth the price if you are happy with the reliability and also the power. any gsr swap will need to spend more than a type r swap in total in order to get the equal power.
itr/ctr engine are worth the price if you are happy with the reliability and also the power. any gsr swap will need to spend more than a type r swap in total in order to get the equal power.
07-15-2003, 05:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon_ek9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow, couple misinformation here. ONLY 98+ ITR come with a 4.78 final drive. GSR tranny != ctr/itr tranny.
itr/ctr engine are worth the price if you are happy with the reliability and also the power. any gsr swap will need to spend more than a type r swap in total in order to get the equal power. </TD></TR></TABLE>
its 4.785 FD and an si tranny KINDA = CTR tranny, but the ctr has LSD and better syncronizers
and i think its worth it...spoon 1.8 stroker kit...a few bolt ons, and its quite the lil bugger.
itr/ctr engine are worth the price if you are happy with the reliability and also the power. any gsr swap will need to spend more than a type r swap in total in order to get the equal power. </TD></TR></TABLE>
its 4.785 FD
and an si tranny KINDA = CTR tranny, but the ctr has LSD and better syncronizersand i think its worth it...spoon 1.8 stroker kit...a few bolt ons, and its quite the lil bugger.
07-15-2003, 06:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JUN EK9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
its 4.785 FD and an si tranny KINDA = CTR tranny, but the ctr has LSD and better syncronizers
and i think its worth it...spoon 1.8 stroker kit...a few bolt ons, and its quite the lil bugger.</TD></TR></TABLE>
id go with a itr, IMO its worth the extra money.
its 4.785 FD
and an si tranny KINDA = CTR tranny, but the ctr has LSD and better syncronizersand i think its worth it...spoon 1.8 stroker kit...a few bolt ons, and its quite the lil bugger.</TD></TR></TABLE>
id go with a itr, IMO its worth the extra money.
07-15-2003, 07:37 PM
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Re: (spoon_ek9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon_ek9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow, couple misinformation here. ONLY 98+ ITR come with a 4.78 final drive. GSR tranny != ctr/itr tranny.
itr/ctr engine are worth the price if you are happy with the reliability and also the power. any gsr swap will need to spend more than a type r swap in total in order to get the equal power. </TD></TR></TABLE>
/\ misinformation.
gs-r tranny does not equal ctr/itr gears dumb ***. I hate misinformation input. USDM ITR gears equal USDM B16A gears. GS-R gears are a little longer. LS gears are the longest.
Also no need for a B16B 1.8 stroker kit. not everyone here drag races. I bet most you never even seen a B16B in person before
B16B is a nice potent high revving motor that'll *** rape a gs-r motor. stock for stock.
itr/ctr engine are worth the price if you are happy with the reliability and also the power. any gsr swap will need to spend more than a type r swap in total in order to get the equal power. </TD></TR></TABLE>
/\ misinformation.
gs-r tranny does not equal ctr/itr gears dumb ***. I hate misinformation input. USDM ITR gears equal USDM B16A gears. GS-R gears are a little longer. LS gears are the longest.
Also no need for a B16B 1.8 stroker kit. not everyone here drag races. I bet most you never even seen a B16B in person before
B16B is a nice potent high revving motor that'll *** rape a gs-r motor. stock for stock.
07-15-2003, 07:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 point 6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah but do a P&P on a b18c head and get 20hp+ for less than $700. Throw some cams in there an do even better.
Not saying its bad, he asked for opinions. For the money i think there are better choices out there personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you show me a 20 hp gain from P&P and i'll buy you dinner.....wherever you want....on a honda engine!!
Not saying its bad, he asked for opinions. For the money i think there are better choices out there personally.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you show me a 20 hp gain from P&P and i'll buy you dinner.....wherever you want....on a honda engine!!
07-15-2003, 07:44 PM
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Re: just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek (spoon vx)
too much misinformation here for me to just let it go
b16b....great engine....revs good....
tranny from same engine 4.785....great ratio
syncro's....SAME as b16a tranny
for the price difference from sir2 b16a you get
lsd
better valve springs
better cams
better intake manifold
better tbody
balance to rev higher
etc....
list goes on and on.....oh yeah you get the CTR crank pulley.....
if you are going to buy a b16a and mod it to get it too a b16b then it is MUCH CHEAPER just to buy the b16b to start off with!!!
b16b....great engine....revs good....
tranny from same engine 4.785....great ratio
syncro's....SAME as b16a tranny
for the price difference from sir2 b16a you get
lsd
better valve springs
better cams
better intake manifold
better tbody
balance to rev higher
etc....
list goes on and on.....oh yeah you get the CTR crank pulley.....
if you are going to buy a b16a and mod it to get it too a b16b then it is MUCH CHEAPER just to buy the b16b to start off with!!!
07-15-2003, 07:49 PM
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Re: just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek (chad)
4.7 is what I have been saying. some **** keeps saying 4.9. 4.9 is aftermarket such as ATS or something. Honda never had a 4.9 FD from the factory for a B-series.
07-15-2003, 08:13 PM
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Re: just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek (digitalBEEF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by digitalBEEF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4.7 is what I have been saying. some **** keeps saying 4.9. 4.9 is aftermarket such as ATS or something. Honda never had a 4.9 FD from the factory for a B-series.</TD></TR></TABLE>
THIS IS TRUE>>>.....ats is the only aftermarket company (that i know of) other than a custom unit at 4.9......
THIS IS TRUE>>>.....ats is the only aftermarket company (that i know of) other than a custom unit at 4.9......
07-15-2003, 08:16 PM
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Re: just wondering if anyone has a b16b swap in there eg or ek (chad)
I thought SRR carries a 4.9 FD gear for the b series as well?
and I do not believe the CTR tranny has the 4.7FD.. that was reserved for the 98+ITR, from what I've seen all CTR trannies are 4.4 FD.. I could be wrong
and I do not believe the CTR tranny has the 4.7FD.. that was reserved for the 98+ITR, from what I've seen all CTR trannies are 4.4 FD.. I could be wrong