-Whitey-

my b16a is a weak *** dog...i bought my car with a d15b8 in it and that was slow so i saved up for my 1993 b16a sirII and im still the weakest link in my group of friends( my car looks better though lol) how can i or should i build my b16a to own all my buddies b18c's?

i was thinking building the head will do me some justice for a while but even if i throw all jun II parts in my head will it feel more like a b18c or will it still be a tourqeless wonder?

im looking for more low end power and tourqe out of my b16a so i can hang with the b18c guys and have .2 liters less muhahaha

fred92htch

You can't...unless you boost.

KOALA YUMMIES

Drrr, or stroke it.

u2civic1

only think i can think of is lsvtec if u want the torque

rodrez.

When I had a B16 in my old car, I stroked it. Made excellent torque.

BeavisB16

Higher compression pistons will give you some low end torque. I think its 10hp for every 1 high of compression. You could also bore it out a bit if your going to be putting pistons in there.

D17 MoNsTeR

it's about time somebody relizes that b16's are over rated . get the b18c5 . ....and who's the cheap cornball recommending ls vtec? c'mon stop it!!!

B_CRUZ!

can't really take out a B18C but if you want to spend money on your b16, get a 4.7 FD, gs-r head with skunk2 manifold, and ITR/CTR cams. or just boost. best bet would be to get a B18C short block.

-Whitey-

heres what im thinking of doing to my b16a to hang with the bigger brother b18c:

JUN 2 cam's
jun valve spring's
jun retainer's
jun valve guide's
jun cam gear's
skunk 2 valve's
skunk 2 intake manifold
itr t/b
mugen head gasket
katman ecu program (ssf1 i think)
ctr over sized pistons (.25 over sized)
id like some new connecting rods but i dont know what to get id like them to be oem parts like spoon ctr rods if i xcan but i havnt gotten that far in my research

im not gonna swap a b18c motor in my eg because im gonna buy a ek in a few months and i am gonna put a 98 spec b18c-r into that..i just want to make my b16a nothing to shake a finger at

vtecvoodoo

Give me all that cash and I`ll just kick you in the nuts and we`ll call it even.

Buy a 1.8 or 2.0 block and sell yout b16 shorty.

-Whitey-

i do not want ls/vtec.... ill never have ls/vtec or crvtec..in my eg i want a b16a because everyone dislikes them i want to build it and keep it pretty much 1.6 because its a little car with a little motor..its just the way i am i guess id like to keep the b16 head and block in the eg and when the time comes ill put a b18c in a ek.

FrostyDC4

I got torque out of my B16 with increased compression.


[Modified by FrostyDC4, 4:39 PM 2/24/2003]

vtecvoodoo

Dood, a 1.8 is still a little motor.

Btw, rather than drop a buttload on misc "all mota" parts, i`d start w/ an lsd trans.


[Modified by vtecvoodoo, 4:40 PM 2/24/2003]

B_CRUZ!

dood. just get a B18C1 block and a ITR tranny. done. it would be cheaper and faster.

-Whitey-

not as little as 1.6 (im difficult)

my point is im keeping the b16a thats final..i want to make it keep up with the b18c guys and itr guys do u think the setup i listed above will keep my car alive and near the top of the food chain of the road? or should i just start saving for a ek with a b18c now?

acydphryck

not all of us are ballers like you sucker...B18C5 is a great motor...problem is, not many of them are legit out on the streets...and not many members here in honda-tech can afford them. that's why we opt for the LS/VTEC setups...

-Whitey-

i think im gonna save my cash and build a ek/b18c-r and just keep the b16a simple with a few more power hop ups along the way until i can afford a new kaa..thanks guys

Nine

Dont try to go NA with a b16.. it can be done but it will be expensive and still not that fast. You could turbo that mother and make twice as much hp/tq as a b18c with all the money you are throwing down for those jun parts.

delslow94

or do what im doing and buy a b17 crank with forged rods and then forged pistons. itll make good power and more torque. only problem is finding the crank....thats what im in search of right now. oh yea its also not as expensive and getting the whole b18c block.

B18C5-EH2

Bullshit.

B18C5-EH2

Kbew a guy with even more than that (Toda B cams) making 172whp and unfortunately, a stock B18C5 like mine and a few others here put down over 175whp and my stock B18C5 is making 129.8ft/lbs. of torque - the built B16A wasn't even into the 120's if I'm not mistaken.

I'm just saying that even built you won't be beating the 1.8L motors down like you might think.

Sleeve that B16A and go 84.5mm bore and only then will you really be doing something. 1.8L and a perfect R/S ratio would mean better-than-B18C throttle response, revving, and the same or more torque.



I say get a 1.8L shorty and throw in at least ITR pistons while it's out and call it a day.

HXMan

NOOB, STFU with your sorry d17 self. A b16 will own your *** anyday of the ****** week.

Who is overrating b16s here?? Everyone knows they are the torqueless wonder. A b16 good honda engine someone can get for cheap. Sure, it isn't the fastest thing, but it is FAR from a pos. It is the engine all b series engines following were designed from.

You sound like your typical ricer saying a cheap cornball is recommending a LSVTEC....There is nothing cheap about building a LSVTEC right. And if it is done right it will whoop a b18c5.

I got love for the b16...but sadly it won't do much unless you go FI. It will be quick all motor, but a b18 with similar mods will eat it up.




[Modified by HXMan, 7:29 PM 2/24/2003]

B18C5-EH2

...and cost way more too.

Please don't even drag this LS/VTEC vs. B18C5 debate into this.

There's a guy who just posted his 11.6:1 CR LS/VTEC tuned dyno chart up:

175whp
132 torque

I just had my B18C5:

176whp
129.8 torque

Plus no offense to our LS/VTECers, but I've still got that O.E-Honda build too. No worries or guessing if it'll last.

Again I'm not trying to play "I'm better than you" but I'm not gonna sit here and look at this **** and not post back.

Charts are coming too!

-Whitey-

wow this is getting somewhat heated

the more and more i think about it the b18c block with a jun built b16a sirII head sounds like the best way to go..i could even swap this motor to my future ek and save alot of money ......anyone know where i can get prices on built b18c bottom ends? i just want to be able to swap my head on it and drive away i dont wanna be scrounging for misc parts for months just so i can drive

Triple T

Why buy the expensive c5 when you could build an ls/vtec that would stomp it all day long? no offense to the c5 guys.. there great engines, there just a little out of some peoples price ranges.