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Old 08-12-2010, 07:00 PM
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Default HELP! B18B1 in 94 Dx Hatch - Wont Start

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I put a new ground on the car and got it to actually start - didn't let it run because it still had a minor oil leak. Now when we go fix the leak, it wont start again. I try to jump any codes it has on the check engine light stays Solid and the SRS light flashes

Spark plugs are dirty and seems to have some oil on them.

Do i need to set everything back to TDC when i put a new dizzy on?

Hey guys just swapped in my new longblock and when i first got it started i found out the dizzy was bad so i went and bought a new one. Now with the new Dizzy installed it will not start. The original dizzy was bad because of the Crank Angle Sensor but like i said above it still started even without the map sensor hooked up.

If anyone has any idea's let me know plz!

** I hardwired in the Map sensor and still nothing, I try to start it and it wont give in. Jump the codes again and its still throwing #3 and #9 - so MAP and Crank Angle Sensor. Really starting to get pissed off seeing as I bought the new Dizzy for the Crank angle and I figured hooking up the MAP sensor would seal the deal. I have spark, car looks to be in Time, Fuel pump is priming...

What do I do?!

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Connect the MAP sensor.

Does the fuel pump prime?

Bright white spark at the plugs?

CEL codes?

Mechanical timing?
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Connect the MAP sensor.

Does the fuel pump prime?

Bright white spark at the plugs?

CEL codes?

Mechanical timing?

Sorry i realized i didnt put all the info i needed.

*fuel pump primes, and there is spark. no cel codes that show. As far as mechanical timing what do you mean?
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As far as mechanical timing what do you mean?
If the timing belt slips, then the cam and crank will no longer be synchronized at TDC1:

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If the timing belt slips, then the cam and crank will no longer be synchronized at TDC1:

Well yea we timed it as best we could but the arrows weren't exactly straight up and down...
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The belt must be installed with the cam and crank perfectly set at TDC1 and then tensioned. Rotate the crank a few revolutions (turn only counterclockwise) and then position the cam pulleys perfectly at TDC1 as shown in the diagram. Post a picture of the cam pulleys and of the pointer position with respect to the TDC1 white mark on the crank pulley.
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
The belt must be installed with the cam and crank perfectly set at TDC1 and then tensioned. Rotate the crank a few revolutions (turn only counterclockwise) and then position the cam pulleys perfectly at TDC1 as shown in the diagram. Post a picture of the cam pulleys and of the pointer position with respect to the TDC1 white mark on the crank pulley.
Another thing is I dont have either of the timing covers, so idk exactly where the mark is on that. Ill make sure to check the timing tomorrow.
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Another thing is I dont have either of the timing covers, so idk exactly where the mark is on that. Ill make sure to check the timing tomorrow.
The crank gear also has a TDC1 mark, but you really need belt covers.
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Start with the basics. Check if the timing is on, like already mentioned. If that's not the problem do a basic tuneup. Start by changing your spark plugs (I suggest ngk). You could be getting spark but you could still have bad plugs. I randomly ran into this problem a few months ago and I couldn't figure it out. My plugs were bad. Something to check since they're cheap.
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Default Re: HELP! B18B1 in (4 Dx Hatch - Wont Start

Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
The crank gear also has a TDC1 mark, but you really need belt covers.

Yea trust me i know, I rushed it when i shouldnt have.
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Start with the basics. Check if the timing is on, like already mentioned. If that's not the problem do a basic tuneup. Start by changing your spark plugs (I suggest ngk). You could be getting spark but you could still have bad plugs. I randomly ran into this problem a few months ago and I couldn't figure it out. My plugs were bad. Something to check since they're cheap.
The motor was just freshly rebuilt. All new gaskets and seals. New plugs, wires, dizzy, head gasket, ARP studs - Like i said we know it starts and runs. Its just when we swapped in this new dizzy it wont crank over anymore!
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Default Re: HELP! B18B1 in (4 Dx Hatch - Wont Start

Still throw Codes #3 and #9 for MAp and Crank - So even if i try to reset the ecu by unhooking the battery this will still come up? Im trying to figure out how to hardwire in the Map sensor as I speak...
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Default Re: HELP! B18B1 in (4 Dx Hatch - Wont Start

Is this an OBD2 motor?
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the head is a 98' but i have the injectors, dizzy and everthing else needed to make it OBD1
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is ur firing order correct?
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Iirc, OBD2 motors have the crank angle sensor mounted on the block near the crank instead of inside the distributor like OBD1 motors. Are you using the engine bay harness from your DX or the one that came with the B18B?
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Iirc, OBD2 motors have the crank angle sensor mounted on the block near the crank instead of inside the distributor like OBD1 motors. Are you using the engine bay harness from your DX or the one that came with the B18B?
The block is a 93 i believe, and im using the sohc non-v wiring harness.
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And the distributor you purchased was for an OBD1 DOHC VTEC motor? Don't forget that wires have to be added to the harness you're using since it never had VTEC.
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Originally Posted by crvtectim
And the distributor you purchased was for an OBD1 DOHC VTEC motor? Don't forget that wires have to be added to the harness you're using since it never had VTEC.

I have a b18b1 motor and purchased a b18b1 distributor - Vtec has nothing to do with this...
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I have a b18b1 motor and purchased a b18b1 distributor - Vtec has nothing to do with this...
Lulz, my bad, thread confusion. Well, I'm not positive on this, but since the B18B1's life ranges from 94-01, it covers OBD1, OBD2A, and OBD2B. It's possible that you have an OBD2A or OBD2B distributor when you really need an OBD1. I think there's differences even though they might still plug and play with your 94 harness, some of the wires may need to be switched around?!?! Do you know the year range of the distributor you purchased and what year Integra the B18B1 motor is out of?
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Originally Posted by crvtectim
Lulz, my bad, thread confusion. Well, I'm not positive on this, but since the B18B1's life ranges from 94-01, it covers OBD1, OBD2A, and OBD2B. It's possible that you have an OBD2A or OBD2B distributor when you really need an OBD1. I think there's differences even though they might still plug and play with your 94 harness, some of the wires may need to be switched around?!?! Do you know the year range of the distributor you purchased and what year Integra the B18B1 motor is out of?
obd2 dizzy wont plug into obd1 buddy. try getting a new dizzy swap it out for another one if you can.. ive seen bad dizzy out the box before.
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Originally Posted by crvtectim
Lulz, my bad, thread confusion. Well, I'm not positive on this, but since the B18B1's life ranges from 94-01, it covers OBD1, OBD2A, and OBD2B. It's possible that you have an OBD2A or OBD2B distributor when you really need an OBD1. I think there's differences even though they might still plug and play with your 94 harness, some of the wires may need to be switched around?!?! Do you know the year range of the distributor you purchased and what year Integra the B18B1 motor is out of?
Bought the brand new distributor for an OBD1 b18b1. Like I said before the head is a 98 and block is a 93
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Did you use the same engine bay wiring harness as you did before the swap?
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What ECU are you running?


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