kabaroo

just put a freshly rebuilt d16z6 in my car today. Im not getting oil pressure or spark. Everything seems to be plugged in. its getting fuel.

I have a chipped p28 w/ an unburned 28pin chip in it. Does anyone think that would be a problem? i really cannot understand how its not getting oil.....

please if anyone can point me in the right direction. I was so ready to be driving it today.

thanks


Modified by kabaroo at 12:31 AM 5/24/2005

kabaroo

anyone?

Archidictus

Have you tried removing the chip? Even though there's no particular data on it, it may be offering enough resistance in thd circuit to mess things up.

spettinger

how are you not getting oil pressure? that's entirely mechanical.

kabaroo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatchofchrist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how are you not getting oil pressure? that's entirely mechanical.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont know. can you think of any reason why this might happen?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have you tried removing the chip? Even though there's no particular data on it, it may be offering enough resistance in thd circuit to mess things up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I tried starting it w/ and w/o the chip.

Status Sean

are u sure you are gettin oil pressure ????? and maybe your disturbutor went bad or your distrubutor wires are bad !

kabaroo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rw92civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are u sure you are gettin oil pressure ????? and maybe your disturbutor went bad or your distrubutor wires are bad ! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, i have an oil pressure gauge. Also i have an oil feed line T'ed off the oil pressure sending unit, i have the line capped off and i removed the cap, cranked the motor and no oil sqirted out.

The oil feed line is in cuz ill be bolting my turbo setup on after i break everything in.

kabaroo

Will just cranking the engine over create oil pressure? or does it need to be running for a little bit?

EG_intheworks

just cranking produces no oil pressure.
no spark? need more info, what havent you checked? Check the dizzy, make sure its timed correctly, spark plug wires are in the right spot

kabaroo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG_intheworks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just cranking produces no oil pressure.
no spark? need more info, what havent you checked? Check the dizzy, make sure its timed correctly, spark plug wires are in the right spot</TD></TR></TABLE>

thank you, thats what i needed to hear. Now i just have to get the spark figured out.

IHateJDM

did you disconnect the j1 jumper on the p28? it doesn't matter if the chip is in or not, if you sever the j1 jumper, the ecu will revert to stock maps. If you haven't, the ecu is looking for ignition and fuel maps to start the car, but there aren't any on the chip.

CivicMike

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IHateJDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did you disconnect the j1 jumper on the p28? it doesn't matter if the chip is in or not, if you sever the j1 jumper, the ecu will revert to stock maps. If you haven't, the ecu is looking for ignition and fuel maps to start the car, but there aren't any on the chip.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if the custom map you are using is bad you'll get a CEL when you try to start it and its gonna run like crap...cut J1 and try again (should get no CEL and you probably need to reburn your chip)

IHateJDM

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicMike &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

if the custom map you are using is bad you'll get a CEL when you try to start it and its gonna run like crap...cut J1 and try again (should get no CEL and you probably need to reburn your chip)</TD></TR></TABLE>

if the chip is bad, just reburn the chip. you only cut j1 when you want to run stock maps. if j1 is cut, the ecu will never look for the chip.

Built B16A

you need to either put in a stock P28, or burn a program on that chip.

your ECU is chipped, and its waiting for a written chip to be in the EEPROM socket. you can't just remove the chip, and expect the ECU to perform.

just cut J1, above the EEPROM, and it will be a stock P28 again.

im 90% sure this is your problem.

and, you said a fresh rebuild.... and no oil pressure, you ever change your oil, and fire it up, and that oil light blinks maybe 2 or 3 times, and then goes out.. thats because cranking the car at 300 RPM to start, doens't produce oil pressure you would normaly get.

fix your ECU.

kabaroo

^^ exactly the info i was looking for.


ok, ill look at j1. I never really knew where the jumper was, i just knew it was there.


And there isnt any basemap or anything on the chip to my knowledge. I think its a blank/fresh unburned chip.

IHateJDM

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kabaroo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And there isnt any basemap or anything on the chip to my knowledge. I think its a blank/fresh unburned chip.</TD></TR></TABLE>

then there is no info to tell the car when to spark. I'm not guaranteeing this is your prob, but it really sounds like it.

kabaroo

ok, i cut the jumper and still nothing. I reset the ECU as well.

What should i look for next?

IHateJDM

have you used a multimeter to make sure the starter is getting power?

kabaroo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IHateJDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have you used a multimeter to make sure the starter is getting power?</TD></TR></TABLE>

starter is getting power... you can hear the engine turning over.

kabaroo

anybody else?

kabaroo

please! i really wanted it running.

JDMKid71

engine cranks over... but no spark... lol did you maybe look over the timing belt..? is it on the engine? haha.. just a thought god i hope its there and thats not your problem

Built B16A

you checked all your fuses right? under the dash, and under the hood?

boostmywankle

hmmm maybe your dizzy took a crap?? also, when i put my built gsr motor back in, the ground on the thermostat wasnt tight enough, and she wouldnt fire up...maybe check that?

kabaroo

Yes dizzy was off my working d16z6. i swapped everthing over. The tranny side ground wasnt attached for a little while and my oil feed like was getting hot. I wonder if somehow that caused some problems?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMKid71 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">engine cranks over... but no spark... lol did you maybe look over the timing belt..? is it on the engine? haha.. just a thought god i hope its there and thats not your problem</TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont think i forgot to put a timing belt on


Should i look into replacing the dizzy? i wonder how much one would cost local....