xaaronex

found a basically stock 99 em1 at a local stealership for 6995. just wondering if that's a fair-ish price or what i should offer?

EJeff8

I've seen SI's with 150xxx go for this, so even though I still feel it's high, it may be worth it. It better be in emasculate condition though.

devney

Sounds like a great price to me. As with any dealership, try to talk them down a little because it's to your advantage. But because it's from a dealership and it has that low of miles, sounds like a very reasonable price.

xaaronex

here's a pic of it

a friend of mine drove it (who doesn't know much about cars) and he told me the guy said to him that the cylinders had been bored over and **** but i don't know. i plan to go look at it tomorrow.

EJeff8

I'd heckle the **** out of them if it's been modded. That would drop the price significantly, don't let the dealer fool you. You have no clue how that engine was machined or who did it. Use this to your advantage if you're interested. Seems clean though.

Edit: Also heckle them about the altezza tails. So god damn ugly.

xaaronex

exactly what i was thinking haha. i'm going to scan that engine bay like nobody's business. there's also a 99/00 ex with stock tails so if i end up getting it i'm going to make him swap the ricer tails

EJeff8

^Nice. Try the windows too, Hondas have the biggest damn problem with working power windows haha. Reach in behind the wells and feel for rust, and if that's an aftermarket exhaust, that's more fuel to your fire. Also, check the engine bay and behind the gas cap door just to make sure it's the stock color or if it was redone they weren't amateur's. Be specific and find any imperfection or non stock item to your advantage. Hell, get 'em for the radio if it's not OEM.

xaaronex

good advice. thank you.

Saeo

Do i see gauges on the A pillar? probably been modded.

My 99 si i got from honda bone stock for 7k out the door with 125,000 miles.

I would do a thorough ckeck on everything.

EJeff8

I see three gauges which would probably mean it used to be boosted and was sold before being traded in. This car can and should easily go $1000 or more off the sticker. This dealer is seriously an idiot. Is he the kind of guy that just buys what he sees sitting on the road or is he car company specific?

EJeff8

And upon more review, it seems that your bumper isn't flush and there are no fogs, which came stock on SI's. Idk if it's just the pic angle though. Now, it's just straight missing OEM parts. You can hammer this guy bro.

xaaronex

you sure about the fogs? i thought they were an option. pretty sure i've seen quite a few SI's without them but the bumper is definitely not flush so i could point that out. i think i'm just going to make a list of everything i see on paper and hand it to him haha

thanks for pointing out those gauges, guys. totally forgot about that. my friend said it's just the oil pressure, voltage, and water temp i think. either way, more **** that has been tampered with and that would be taken off if i got it ha.

EJeff8

^Ah, didn't know they were option. An oil pressure gauge is installed with an oil reader in front of the filter. If it's tightened too much, the block will crack or if installed incorrectly, will leak oil. This is just a good fact to know when bringing it up because it's very easy to mess up and is an "unsafe" aftermarket item if done incorrectly ;]

EDIT: I also see red calipers, aftermarket painting. Haha, this is the funnest game of "point out the imperfections" ever!

xaaronex

went and looked at it today and i believe it has a jdm b16a. talked to the dude and said the lowest he would go is $5800. shouldn't the original engine have b16a2 or something stamped on it? this one just had b16a. also had a DC sports header and apexi n1 exhaust

EJeff8

All (EDIT: JDM) B16A types are only stamped B16A, the follow numbers aren't on the stamp. If it was a true B16A (first gen B16A), it'd be OBD0, so you're fine.

Edit: $5800 is a very good drop from the sticker, it seems like a legit price for what you're receiving.

roadsqueegy95

Not sure how im feeling about all the yellow wires!

also both my em1 blocks are stamped b16a2


If you feel you'd be happy with it, and happy with the price, id deff get it!

EJeff8

Hm, I had just researched it when he brought it up but wiki (I know, not the best so he should get a second opinion) Said that all B16A blocks don't come with the ending number. I find it hard to believe he has the first ever OBD0 VTEC engine in his EM1 though.

EDIT: Furthermore, he said it was a JDM swap. There is no a2 JDM B16a. The a2 is only in the EDM, CAN, and USDM markets. The JDM b16a went up to 98 for the latest models, both EK4's.

apexi_rsx

looks like ronald Mc donalds been under that hood. its riced out id tell him 1000 off the price because its gonna cost that just to return it to stock like you would like it.

EJeff8

He said the guy went from 6995 to 5800, so that's over a $1000 drop. Perfect to your standards.

Stunna MIKE

Good price drop, I'd pick it up for that price.

phaphon

man you can find a clean tittle one for around that price i would be patient and wait for it its the same thing as buying it from the st you dont know whats done to that motor..and my b16a is a jdm b16 but its a 98 so its not the original motor and where i stay in cali you can get a ref ticket just for them damn color'd lines lol

-__-

wow the original owner did a number on this engine bay. painted all the brackets red too. damn. i hope u get it for that price though. look on ther head and see what year the motor is. also see what kind of trans it has. make sure it has the original Si cluster, lip, seats etc.

roadsqueegy95

Yea, im thinking the jdm b16s arnt stamped, but the US em1s and delsol vtecs are

Id say its safe to say his is a jdm b16

phaphon

yup i would deff check the trans and atleast take it on the free way for a test drive to make sure its a b16 trans if not your gonna have one slow em1 hahha and trans are not cheap especially swapping them takes time

xaaronex

the trans numbers matched the vin on it so i'm sure it's the original. the block and trans casing was slightly different shades though so i'm also almost positive it's not the original long block. the valve cover was also the oem wrinkle red.

i think i may show up with 5500 if possible and see if he takes it.


also, yes the wire loom and crap would be gone asap