Which engine series should I swap into stock EK?
10-12-2010, 11:11 PM
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Which engine series should I swap into stock EK?
whats up just bought n EK stock need some ideas don't know what i want rely
for a swap.
i was thinking about n H22A, B16, GSR or single cam turbo
any suggestion which would cost the least and which would be the best one to go with and wont take long to do
if any one can help
for a swap.
i was thinking about n H22A, B16, GSR or single cam turbo
any suggestion which would cost the least and which would be the best one to go with and wont take long to do
if any one can help
10-12-2010, 11:23 PM
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Re: Which series to go with
well for now trying to make at least 225 250 to the wheels
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10-13-2010, 12:11 AM
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10-13-2010, 03:05 AM
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Re: Which series to go with
Cheapest option = turbo ($600-1500)
next is ls + turbo ($2000-$2500)
next cheapest = h2b ($2500-$4500)
next is vtec b-series + turbo ($3000-$5000)
next is built b18c5/b20v NA ($4500-$6500)
and even a k20 NA ($4000-$10,000)
Those are pretty much your options and those are all very rough and extremely unreliable guesstimates of what you could possibly do various build types with dependency upon your access, knowledge, mechanic skill, and local market.
next is ls + turbo ($2000-$2500)
next cheapest = h2b ($2500-$4500)
next is vtec b-series + turbo ($3000-$5000)
next is built b18c5/b20v NA ($4500-$6500)
and even a k20 NA ($4000-$10,000)
Those are pretty much your options and those are all very rough and extremely unreliable guesstimates of what you could possibly do various build types with dependency upon your access, knowledge, mechanic skill, and local market.
10-13-2010, 03:57 AM
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Re: Which series to go with
to be fair mate i haven't seen many h22 turbo's i'll bet that pack a tourque punch if you get the right turbine.
you say you want 225 - 250 hp is this something you will stay with or do you plan to hit this first then build on it.
you'd easily make that power with a little SOHC D series with a turbo on it.
however if you were to go for something like a B16, built well with a nice turbo shouldn't cost the earth but you'd get 225hp easily. if its done right 400hp shouldn't be that much hassle to get.
this all depends on your budget mate if you let us know what you have to work with that'd be easier.
i wish i had the cash to do a swap.
you say you want 225 - 250 hp is this something you will stay with or do you plan to hit this first then build on it.
you'd easily make that power with a little SOHC D series with a turbo on it.
however if you were to go for something like a B16, built well with a nice turbo shouldn't cost the earth but you'd get 225hp easily. if its done right 400hp shouldn't be that much hassle to get.
this all depends on your budget mate if you let us know what you have to work with that'd be easier.
i wish i had the cash to do a swap.
10-13-2010, 04:23 AM
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Re: Which series to go with
This has been a myth oft perpetuated by unsubstantive posts much like yours.
Can it be done for 3k? Sure.
Is it often done for 3k? No.
Many of the parts you need to put it into the car cost $500-$1000 alone. You have to do an EPIC amount of bargain hunting and buy lots of used parts, and sacrifice on quality and performance to get a k20 in for that price. You're obviously selling yourself short by not getting a good hondata ecu/tune which runs about $800-1000
Sure, you can claim all you want that the swap can be done "easily" for 3k, but in fact it's not easy. I've been here for a long time and there a good reason it has a pricey reputation.
Because it's pricey. You don't get the best of the best swap for a honda civic at budget prices. That's just not how it works.
Can it be done for 3k? Sure.
Is it often done for 3k? No.
Many of the parts you need to put it into the car cost $500-$1000 alone. You have to do an EPIC amount of bargain hunting and buy lots of used parts, and sacrifice on quality and performance to get a k20 in for that price. You're obviously selling yourself short by not getting a good hondata ecu/tune which runs about $800-1000
Sure, you can claim all you want that the swap can be done "easily" for 3k, but in fact it's not easy. I've been here for a long time and there a good reason it has a pricey reputation.
Because it's pricey. You don't get the best of the best swap for a honda civic at budget prices. That's just not how it works.
10-13-2010, 07:30 AM
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look... if you can shop around and have the patience to take some time and find good deals then you can swap in a j series for less than 4g's... stock motor setup will put down 250+ with stock motor... think about it... its what im doing... plus you have almost as much torque as you will horsepower... lots of people dont like them but theyre catching rapidly and i would recommend you start now to save money on the motor and tranny while you still can... or wait 5-6 years for the prices to come back down for mass production from several companies.. all in all with suspension upgrades i will have a j32a2 with accord 6 speed in my ek coupe for 3800ish... not even 4 grand!!! just food for thought
10-13-2010, 08:58 AM
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Re: Which series to go with
your clearnace blows and more often then not need some kind of modification to the hood. why not just buy a two door accord and build that?
kpro alone costs a grand. so thats two g's left and you haven't even started to build it. it can be done but far and few between.
and if they're catching on rapidly it's only where you live. i still have yet to see a Jseries swapped into a civic anywhere near me. not hating just saying it hasn't happened here...but no honda action happens here i suppose.
but to your original question. is 225-250 your limit or just your start?
id say if its your limit just boost the D.
otherwise go gsr/b16 or ls.
power wise i think you can get around 200 on a stock bottom end from a D. otherwise...skies the limit, well your machining is. as for the turbo it'd depend on size and psi. but usually its about 1psi=10hp. so a d on 12psi lets say is pushin 220 crank.
kpro alone costs a grand. so thats two g's left and you haven't even started to build it. it can be done but far and few between.
and if they're catching on rapidly it's only where you live. i still have yet to see a Jseries swapped into a civic anywhere near me. not hating just saying it hasn't happened here...but no honda action happens here i suppose.
but to your original question. is 225-250 your limit or just your start?
id say if its your limit just boost the D.
otherwise go gsr/b16 or ls.
power wise i think you can get around 200 on a stock bottom end from a D. otherwise...skies the limit, well your machining is. as for the turbo it'd depend on size and psi. but usually its about 1psi=10hp. so a d on 12psi lets say is pushin 220 crank.
10-13-2010, 01:22 PM
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Re: Which series to go with
well i think maybe halfas it and go SOHC turbo but should i mini me my d16 or go d15b turbo
see the thing about ls turbo my friend beat one at the track SOHC T vs LS T
and LS had slicks and the single cam street tires and my friend got him by a second or 2 so dont know about LS
and i do like the H2B idea how much does that run for
see the thing about ls turbo my friend beat one at the track SOHC T vs LS T
and LS had slicks and the single cam street tires and my friend got him by a second or 2 so dont know about LS
and i do like the H2B idea how much does that run for
10-13-2010, 01:25 PM
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Re: Which engine series should I swap into stock EK?
You can piece together an h2b for anywhere from $3500-5000.
More than enough power for the street. You'll also need someone who can put it in and wire it up.
More than enough power for the street. You'll also need someone who can put it in and wire it up.
10-13-2010, 04:43 PM
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Re: Which engine series should I swap into stock EK?
well i can get a 92-95 h22 complete change over from hmotorsonline.com for around $2100 which i think is perty good and then later just buy the h2b plate i think or should i get it as soon as the swap whould it make a differences
10-13-2010, 06:08 PM
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10-13-2010, 06:15 PM
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Re: Which engine series should I swap into stock EK?
if you bargain shop, even still you're looking at 500 for the kit, 1000 for the motor, 1000 for the tranny. It's still not set in stone that's all you have to buy. A lot of the time you still need axles, a few hundred bucks for an ECU. Etc.
It's really easy to think "oh well I only spent $2500 on the motor and tranny for my K swap" But not mention that you spent $200 on axles, $50 here and there for misc parts, it's easy to nickel and dime yourself beyond your intended budget.
That's just based on prices I see in my area.
It's really easy to think "oh well I only spent $2500 on the motor and tranny for my K swap" But not mention that you spent $200 on axles, $50 here and there for misc parts, it's easy to nickel and dime yourself beyond your intended budget.
That's just based on prices I see in my area.
10-13-2010, 06:16 PM
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go k24 then those are WAY under 2000 for the motor and tranny. get a k20 head later on and have a ****ing rocket ship.
also i have seen very clean b18c5 motors for around 3k.
also i have seen very clean b18c5 motors for around 3k.
10-13-2010, 06:29 PM
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Re: Which engine series should I swap into stock EK?
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$1000 for kpro
Fabrication
$300-$500 for mounts.
Just because a Jswap or a kswap is cheap compared to an ITR motor doesn't mean it's cheap to install.
10-13-2010, 06:49 PM
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