EK_vzla

dohc zc fit in my d16y7 trans?? dohc zc (d16a9 serie D)

92BlackSi

yes should from what I know. All D series bolt to all D series I think. The motor is non OBD though. Z6 or Y8 is a better choice IMO.

EK_vzla

wich is the best way, option the zc or z6 swap from my d16y7?

B18C5-EH2

D16A9?

Where are you from?

If it's a true ZC, it will say "ZC" on the block.

If the D16A9 is anything like our D16A1 it's a shitty engine. 112hp and mounts that do NOT work in anything other than the 1986-1989 Integra and 1984-1987 Civic/CR-X.

SOHC_MShue

what are you trying to say?

B18C5-EH2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOHC_MShue &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what are you trying to say?</TD></TR></TABLE>

He's asking if a Zc will bolt up to his D16Y7's DX/Lx tranny.

I'm trying to tell him that if it's anything like the D16A1 out of the first-gen Integra not only will the mounts not work in his car, but I don't even think the tranny will bolt up because even though technically it's a "D" series it's so old and different that I'm almost sure the tranny won't fit.

The D16A1 used a weird tranny with a removable endcase where you could replace 5th gear by itself without having to tear the tranny apart or even off the engine, and I think the case is totally different from the 1988-2000 Civic D Series stuff.

Also like I said before, the D16A1 made 112hp or 118hp depending on the year, so it's not even worth it because his D16Y7 makes 106hp already.

SOHC_MShue

yea I agree. That motor is poop. Using its pistons in another d series motor will give you a nice compression bump though

EK_vzla

no is d16a1 the block say d16a9 dohc non vtec......here in venezuela come in civic 92-95 SI. have 130hp or something like that...... in the yunkyards sales the same engine and say "zc"

B18C5-EH2

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Really? Explain.

EK_vzla

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">D16A9?

Where are you from?

If it's a true ZC, it will say "ZC" on the block.

If the D16A9 is anything like our D16A1 it's a shitty engine. 112hp and mounts that do NOT work in anything other than the 1986-1989 Integra and 1984-1987 Civic/CR-X.</TD></TR></TABLE>

look like this.......see in the pics....the car is veryyyyy ugly but see the engine


http://www.tucarro.com/anuncio....html

EK_vzla

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the d16a9 or z6??? any one tell me!!!

sohc_boy

since u have a y7 the d16y8 would be the easiest since it would be obd2 to obd2 not obd1 which is what the z6 is. but given the choice between what u had mentioned i would go with the z6. or u could just yank the vtec head off of the z6 and bolt it onto your y7 block and have a nice lil mini-me. bauley civic did a nice right up on doing a mini-me.

Ricey McRicerton

I agree..go with the y8. It's OBDII as well as your car, so you won't have to change it from OBDII to OBD0 or OBDI for the Z6 motor. The y8 tranny has a better shift fork as well.

SloCivicHMM

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look like this.......see in the pics....the car is veryyyyy ugly but see the engine


http://www.tucarro.com/anuncio....html</TD></TR></TABLE>

well I'll be damn'd!!! thats an OBD1 dohc zc...I should know cuz I have one....

B18C5-EH2

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well I'll be damn'd!!! thats an OBD1 dohc zc...I should know cuz I have one....</TD></TR></TABLE>

If it is truly just an OBD1 Zc then I say go for it. 130hp and bolts right up tp your Y7 tranny.

You will probably have some issues with the distributor though, because I'm not sure if you can use a Y7 dizzy on the OBD1 ZC engine. If you cannot then you might have to repin a few wires on the Zc dizzy and Y7 engine harness to get it running right.

EK_vzla

ok and what u think is better this zc or z6???


z6 is direct swap right?only put the vtec wiring and that stuff

B18C5-EH2

Personally I like the D16Z6 better because it has more mods available. Cams are easy to find 10 different kinds for the Z6, while one or two companies make cams for the ZC.

Both are grest engines, but if you can find a low mileage D16Z6 or even a D16Y8 I'd look for that instead of the older, more miled-up ZC engines.

Plus when doung maintenance on the ZC it's more nerve racking because they use so many different parts.

Example?

This chart lists all of the various parts for the Zc - I got it from our other Eg Mod, keithv:

Part Name Part Number Honda Vehicle Note
Belts & Hoses
AC Belt 38920-PM5-A04 88-91Civic/CRX
Alternator Belt 31110-PM5-305 1989 Integra Supposedly the same p/n as the CRX
Alternator Belt 31110-PM5-305 88-91 CRX
Lower Radiator Hose 19502-PM3-000 88-91 Civic/CRX
Timing Belt 14400-PK2-004 88 Prelude 2.0 Si
Upper Radiator Hose 19501-PD2-000 84 Accord Must be modified
Upper Radiator Hose 88-89 Integra Cut to fit

Transmission Components
Clutch Disk 22200-PG7-505 88 CRX Si 21 Spline
Clutch Disk 22200-PM7-J01 89 CRX Si 20 Spline
Clutch Disk 22200-PM7-J02 89 Civic DX
Clutch Disk 22200-PM7-L01 90-91 CRX Si 20 Spline (Larger Diameter)
Pressure Plate 22300-PM7-000 88 CRX Si Use Corresponding Year to Clutch
Throwout Bearing 91006-634-008 1988 CRX Si Use Corresponding Year to Clutch
Mainshaft bearing (in clutch housing) 91101-PL3-B03 1989 Civic Si
Seal for mainshaft bearing 91216-PL3-005 1989 Civic Si
Counter shaft bearing (in clutch housing) 91002-PS0-003 1989 Civic Si
Driver's side axle seal 91205-PL3-A01 1989 Civic Si
Passenger's side axle seal 91206-PL3-A01 1989 Civic Si

Engine Parts
Head Bolts (quantity 9) 90005-PH7-00 1989 Integra
Head Bolt (quantity 1) 90006-PG6-003 1989 Integra
Rod bearings 1321X-PG6-003 1989 Integra
Main Journal Bearings 1332X-PH3-004 1989 Integra
Water Pump 19200-P01-004 88-91 Civic/CRX Si

Seals and Gaskets
Cam Seal (2) 91203-PG6-013 1989 Integra
Exhaust Manifold Gasket 18110-PG6-003 88-89 Integra
Front Main Seal 91212-PE0-662 1989 Integra
Head Gasket 12251-PM7-003 1989 Integra
Head Gasket 12251-PM7-003 1988 Prelude Supposedly the same p/n as the Integra
Intake Manifold Gasket 17105-P00-T03 89 Civic Si
Intake Manifold Gasket 17105-PG6-S00 88-89 Integra
Throttle Body Gasket 16176-PM6-S00 89 Civic Si
Oil Pan Gasket 11251-P01-004 1989 Integra
Oil Stainer Gasket 15221-PM3-S00 1989 Integra
Oil Strainer 15220-PM3-000 1989 Civic Si
Rear Main Seal 91214-PH3-751 1989 Integra
Valve Cover Gasket 12341-PM7-000 1989 Integra

Motor Mounts
Right Engine Motor Mount 50805-SH3-040 88-91 Civic/CRX Si
Left Engine Motor Mount 50821-SH3-040 88-91 Civic/CRX Si
Rear Motor Mount 50810-SH3-040 88-91 Civic/CRX Si
Front Motor Mount 50840-SH3-010 88-91 Civic/CRX Si

Other Maintenance
Distributor Cap and Rotor 30102-PM7-305 88-91 Civic/CRX Si
Distributor Cap and Rotor 30102-PM7-305 1988 Integra
Distributor Rotor 30103-PM5-A05 1988 Integra
Oil Filter 15400-PR3-004 88-89 Integra
Oil Filter 15400-PR3-004 88-91 CRX
PCV Valve 17130-PM6-003 1989 Integra
Spark Plugs NGK BCPR6E-11 86-89 Integra
Spark Plugs NGK BCPR6E-11 88-91 CRX
Spark Plug Wires 32722-PG7-A00 1989 Integra
Thermostat 19300-PE0-024 1989 Integra
Thermostat 19300-PM3-003 88-91 CRX

Part Name Part Number Honda Vehicle Manufacturer Notes
Performance/Non Required parts
Cam Angle Sensor 86-89 Integra Honda/Acura Use if ZC Sensor is Broken
ECU 37820-PG7-A013 1989 Integra Honda/Acura Best ECU for ZC (Must be for Manual Tranny)
Front/Rear motor mount inserts ENE161104G 88-91 Civic/CRX Si Energy Suspension Just the front/rear bushings
Header (Exhaust Manifold) 1989 Integra DC Sports
O2 Sensor 36531-P72-A01 Honda/Acura
Shifter bushing ENS-16-1102R 88-91 Civic/CRX Si Energy Suspension
Throttle Body & TP Sensor 88-89 Integra Honda/Acura
Throttle Body & TP Sensor 88-91 Civic/CRX Si Honda/Acura Use if ZC TPS is Broken

See how many different cars you have to look up for parts?

For the Z6 and Y8 you simply need to only ask for parts from one car - either the 1992-1995 Civic Si/1993-1995 EX for the Z6, or the 1996-2000 EX for the Y8.

EK_vzla

ok. but the problem is here i only find the z6 the y8 is very rare to see....

the z6 is direct drop right?

SlepT ej6

LONG LIVE RPM VNZ, I hear they have sum of the fastest cars out there, o and yes i pretty sure it should drop right in, correct me if im wrong!

kKdARIAN

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the z6 is direct drop right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

EK_vzla

thanks and i can use my ecu? or i need to change

B18C5-EH2

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Okay what year is your car? What trim level? Where are you from? Is it basically a D16Y7 much like our 1996-2000 Civic DX/LX? Is it OBD2?

If it's like our OBD2 1996-2000 Dx/LX then the D16Z6 will bolt right in, but there will be some slight differences at the distributor.

OBD2 runs a one-plug type distributor as seen here:



So if your D16Y7 is like ours then it has that same type of distributor on it.

The D16Z6 will come with a distributor with two plugs, like this:



I'm not sure if you can put the D16Y7 distributor on a Z6, because the non-VTEC distributor will probably not bolt up the same bnecause the VTEC solenoid sits in the way.

I think you'll have to figure out a way to run the OBD1 D16Z6 distributor on that engine, yet keep your car OBD2. I think you could simply unpin the two wires from the extra OBD1 and run them into the one big plug on your engine harness.

B18C5-EH2

Oh yeah also you'll need to keep your D16Y7 starter and alternator if you get a D16Z6 because I know for sure that the alternator has a different plug on it.

Also you'll need to run the OBD2 injectors too since they have different clips. Keep the D16Z6 intake manifold though, because the Y7 one sucks.

SloCivicHMM

yeah that is an obd1 zc, no cam angle sensor on the exhaust cam and from what i can see the fuel system is the same as the z6....

Actually an obd1 zc is a lil different from the obb0 zc....the obd1 has alot of the same parts as a z6....I've figured this out more and more as the time passes with my obd1 zc..

I'd go with the zc if you want a lil brain work....but both are great engines.....if your swaping out your motor, I'd change to an EX tranny cuz that y7 tranny has long gears..

EK_vzla

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Okay what year is your car? What trim level? Where are you from? Is it basically a D16Y7 much like our 1996-2000 Civic DX/LX? Is it OBD2?.</TD></TR></TABLE>

civic 97 manual dx hb............................

Where are you from? venezuela