PhantomEJ1

Okay so i'm new on this forum and this is my first post. First I have a 95 EJ1 that has a stock engine.I am curently building a D16Y8 that i got for FREE! I have already decked the block, line bored it, bored the cylinders out .020 over and ground and micro polished the crank. I am planning on putting JE 11.1 compression pistons, rings, bearings and Eagle h-beam rods in it. As for the head its getting milled, port and polished, 3 angle valve job, stage 3 Crower cam, Ferrea valves, Super Tech valve springs and reatiners, RC 550 fuel injectors,Skunk2 intake manifold,Skunk2 throttle body,AEM fuel rail,Skunk2 pro cam gear, and to top it all off a tunable meth injection system.So my questions are:Can i use my Z6 dizzy? Will the Y8 plug right into my Z6 harness? What tuning should i use? Is there anything i'm missing and what would everyone recommend i stay with or change. Oh and im not planning to race this car, i'm just going to poke around in it. I just want 200hp to the wheels when it's all done. Thanks for reading!

94EG8

Z6 distributor wont bolt up, Y8 wont plug into the harness. Run a D15B7/D15B8 distributor it will both plug in and bolt up.

sde780

From what I read ground cranks are weaker than stock cranks; Honda cranks have a hard coating on them.

Get a chipped P28/P06 and dyno tune. If your car is EK you'll need either a OBD2a ->OBD1 ecu harness or OBD2b-OBD1 harness. 96-98 are OBD2a and 99-00 are OBD2b. If you have a EG it plus right in

sdobson910

Your definitely not going to get 200 to the wheels with that setup. All motor D series is not the route to take. If you want that kinda power your gonna have to boost it. I would lose the cams and valvetrain put lower compression pistons in and buy some turbo parts. Just my opinion but 200whp all motor D is gonna be tough, hell its hard it takes some work on a B series. Either way good luck with the build.

sde780

Boost the stock y8 and you can hit 200whp easy.

Look for a cheap complete Greddy 15g kit if you do go that way, it'll be AC compatible as well as quality parts

Tswjfwm

Turbo would of been an easier route to 200hp. Good luck!

Townson

+1 even if you built the hell out of that motor, there's no way your gonna hit 200 on all motor. gonna have to go turbo on this one lol.

dontknow22

It is possible to get 200whp out of an NA d series.. but you can save some money on the build by shot pend rods they will hold way over 200whp. If I was gonna do this build I would do everything that you have listed but with shot pend rod's. As far as the distributor you can use the internals out of your z6 and put them in the Y8 housing and it will work perfect!!! Tuning wise It will definitely need to be dyno tune by a very experienced person and i would go with your stock P28 with a Hondata S300. Most peoples problems with getting to or over 200whp is there cam's and tune.. but it is possible But dont forget a 255 Walboro pump, a GOOD header and catback exhaust system and definitely go with ARP bolts on any build Its worth it for reliability.. Cosmic Head Gasket and Balance the whole rotating assembly.. But Turbo would be ALOT easier..

Libertariat

150whp is very doable on an all motor d-series. 200whp is going to take you $5,000+ easily.

You're going to have a high compression, high cammed, race gas burning 200whp d-series.

For the kind of money you'd spend you could do an ITR build, H2b, or k-swap and get the same results with a lot less work.

dontknow22

Very true but if you read the parts listed then he is planing on doing everything that you just listed and probably will cost over 5000.... but Some people like doing different things then just a ITR or any other normal swap or build so I understand the build 100%

Libertariat

Correct, building a fast n/a d-series requires replacing almost every internal part. A big project for someone who isn't handy with a wrench.

apexi_rsx

i believe even bisi only made 170hp on his all motor D... its not gonna be possible n/a even if u try you would need higher compression them 12:1 more like 14:XX. and at these kind of compression ratios its gonna be hard to run pump gas. you need to sleeve that block and punch it out to 81mm. i actually have a set of sleeves if ur interested for this kind of application.i was going to throw them in my turbo d build but its not worth the hassle when stock sleeves can hold 400hp. 550cc injectors is over kill for 200hp. if ur going to build it like that build for boost and u could make well over 200hp. a stock block can take between 200-250hp safely. if u want power and a fast n/a motor just build up a k24 if u want to go n/a. most k24 are going fairly cheap i bought one for 550 with no accessories.

dontknow22

If you cant get 90 more WHP out of A Full Build... then your doing it WRONG!!!! IT IS POSSIBLE!!!

apexi_rsx

go ahead and try it you will see. as i said u will need to bore it out more then that to make 200hp. it took all this for bisi to make 231hp on a dyno jet and dynojet's read higher then most other dyno's. this is what bisi did with his d series to make that kind of power. "Sleeved block at 77mm, bisimoto spec Arias pistons (uncoated), dc header, 3" exhaust, Bisimoto spec headwork, level X cam, bisimoto springs and retainers" (On Race Fuel) so if u think 11:1 compression pistons, milled head ,a stage 3 cam, boring just .02 is going to net 200hp you may want to go back to the drawling board. Bisi's X cam is way better then that crower stage 3 cam. you want an idea of what ur looking at look here: http://www.onecamonly.com/showthread.php?p=36528 (remember dynojets read high numbers and are not as accurate as mustang dyno.) which 231hp would be pretty close to 196hp on a mustang dyno. you want a n/a d16 with close to 200hp YOU NEED A SLEEVED BLOCK BORED at least to 77mm not 75.5. you can not bore a stock sleeves to 77mm.

sdobson910

I dont know why anyone would build a D series. But to each his own. All I know is I bought my full B18C1 swap for 1700 and it makes more power than a built D that costs 3 times that. I would even buy an LS before I would ever build a D unless it was for turbo. Yea you could get to 200whp with some serious work, but if your posting your build for suggestions then you dont have the technical know how to get there. Plus the fact that you'll still have no torque.

dontknow22

I understand that ALL that Iam saying is as I have said many times before... "IT IS POSSIBLE".... It will take alot of work research and some really good tuning before you get it but IT IS POSSIBLE to be done... I just dont understand why everyone always wants to shoot down someone else's plans some people just want to do something different and to have a challenge... That's all iam saying he came here for advise on how to do it not what else is an alternative to his D16y8 build!!!! but thats just my just my 2 cents but just like my name says i "dontknow" anything.. its advise not anything written in stone!!!

Libertariat

Yeah, but getting 90whp out of a d-series is going to put out the same power as a stock Gsr swap with bolt ons.

PhantomEJ1

I tried a Gsr swap in my last civic and it didn't run worth a s**t. And im not running a turbo cuz a good kit cost $5000. plus you'd have to build the motor up anyway if you want it to last. I just want to build a nice reliable engine that will last me a very very long time. I'm not going to race this car either, it probably will never go over 4000rpms anyway. Thanks for the feedback especially on the dizzy, that was one of my main concerns. I'll post up dyno videos and stuff when its all done.

sde780

What a tool, who the hell builds a D-series and never takes it over 4000 rpms?

A 200 hp n/a d-series doesn't mean its any safer than a tuned boosted setup. I'm well under $1000 with my turbo setup and it'll be close to $1000 after a tune. Put some ARP's on and get a kit (there's a complete kit in the marketplace for $1600 shipped right now), fits your car well and will make over 200 whp and be reliable. Nowhere close to your "$5000" estimate

PhantomEJ1

Really so you think its smart to install a turbo kit on an engine with almost 300,000 miles on it, yeah that will last! And what Name Brand kit that will work in my car and let me keep my A/C for $1600? And by the way this is my daily driver. If i want to go fast i have a Corvette for that!

PhantomEJ1

Okay so back to another question. I'm wanting to do a P29 setup but i want to use JE pistons so what compression would the P29's be? Or what compression JE pistons would I order?

Jimster480

WTF are you doing. Your not going to make 200WHP NA like that. secondly, 200WHP is slow. You might as well have put a slow *** B series in the car. 3rd, meth on NA = fail. 4th, change the pistons and go Low comp and boost it. Your results will be way better. You can make 400WHP or more on stock sleeves.

Also your doing a full race setup and your not going to race it? That makes no sense. Also Turbos dont cost $5000. With all the money you are already spending, a turbo setup on top of it requires a map sensor, different exhaust manifold (instead of shitty headers), some piping, an intercooler, turbo, BOV and wastegate. You can get BOV's and wastegates on ebay pretty cheap. But you can also get name brand BOV and wastegate for about $400 for the 2. The Intercooler kit you can get on ebay for $200 with piping, couplers, and clamps. And you can get a Holset HY35 or something around that size for about $200-300, either used OEM (like Holsets) or something from ebay (ebay turbos are ok, just not super reliable, especially in high boost situations). Then you can make some real power.

On top of that it is not even going to get good gas mileage. Skip getting all that Skunk2 bullshit and get the turbo setup instead.

PhantomEJ1

Im not F***ing turboing my F***ing car. Never mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrona

lol this guy doesn't really know what he's talking about whats the point of building a race motor if you will not even get into the vtec range whats the point of 200whp if you wont go over 4000rpm?? thats a waste of money if youre going to be slow in a "FAST" car when ur going to drive like a grandma?


and i predict nerd rage in 3....2...........1

grumblemarc

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Should have posted this, or had this moved. to the All-Motor forum on H-T. You might have had better responses posting in the proper forum.