SlowD

I went to the dynojet tonight again, and the crower cam made 10 less whp than the stock cam. down with crower. what a waste of money. fuel, timing, and cam gear was tuned... still... 10 whp less than stock. down with crower.

oh by the way??? does anyone know when v-tec kicks in? I can't feel mine kick in? I want a vtec button to hit like a nos button. if i get a aem intake can i keep up with an Si? I am new, and I know everything. Make fun of me!!!! "flame" me!!! common! you guys were never new to H-T... so let's have some fun here!!!

chillly

Which model cam was that, the one that uses OE valve springs, or the other one? I was on the verge of ordering a Crower Cam myself, but not if it ain't worth a hoot. I have heard that the Zex cams make a modest power increase; have you seen any firsthand power gains from the Zex camshaft?

As for your second paragraph, please don't be an ***. IMHO there's two primary ways for people to look stupid: to take themselves too seriously, and to take others too seriously.

SlowD

Well I would save your money either way... ZEX, CROWER, Crane, whoever.... you can't get good power from a cam. If I re-did my set up, and got my money back for everything... I would just buy HX wheels, and an AEM CAI. That's good enough for me. the other things aren't worth the money and time.
Turbo it, or swap it.

skunk2unerz

Slo-D...you wanna sell that cam then??

H22Bubble

some high profile cams require high compression. That could be a problem.

SlowD

it's only a stage 1. it's gay. I don't know what the deal is though.. I ran it for a week to break it in, staying under 4000 rpms, then I ran it kinda hard for a week w/o a fpr, then i got a fpr, and ran 10:1 afr for a week (with out knowing it) and then I dyno'd and i LOST 11whp. all that tuning too... expensive.... what a waste of a paycheck.

ExospeedAMcrx

We have an SOHC Vtec cam that we sell. with just bolt ons and tuning, it puts out 5-8hp to the wheels. with our headwork and cam package, HP increase on the SOHC vtec motor is about 25hp gain to the wheels, with IHE and tuning.


I have a non-vtec cam as well. headwork/cam package with IHE, about 30hp gain to the wheels.

my own personal motor. D16a6, stock block, head, cam, header, intake puts out 130's to the wheels. Keep in mind: stock motor is like 98hp to the wheels.

Wil

kevcp

I'm running the stage 2 turbo 64331T with the springs and retainers, intake, header, mild port job and I think it runs good, much faster than stock I havent dyno'd it but I can feel the diff... and I dont have an fpr or cam gear....
Down with you and your thoughts on Crower cams you should have bought a more aggressive cam, the stage 1 cam profile isnt much diff than stock..
to crower to you


[Modified by kevcp, 3:46 PM 9/7/2002]

Hayasa15

Do you make a turbo cam for a d16z6?

ExospeedAMcrx

I havea turbo SOHC vtec cam. I dont have numbers on it though. but it has been used in 10/11 sec turbo sohc's

Wil

skunk2unerz

ExO, is there a discount for HT members?

CRXSleeper

I find that hard to believe how you can LOSE horsepower with a Crower cam. Something must've gotten wrong cause Crower is one of the most popular producers of aftermarket cams.

willyboyK20

is that cam a regrind or a billet piece? How durable is it? I was just looking at you website and that is a kick *** price if it does give a better increase in power. It says 92+, so there would be no problems on a d16y8 engine right?

PS: sorry for all the questions but what is the rpm range for that cam?

B18C5-EH2

Try getting in contact with user Mista Bone - he's our resident SOHC guru of sorts.

He might be able to help you with your cam problem.

Don't give up bro! I'm sure it's extremely frustrating, but patience goes a long way when dealing with a cam and tuning.

SlowD

Oh I found Mr.Bone over on DSERIES.ORG (he is a huge help so far), and to that guy up there that says:
" to crower, and to you" to me... blow me.
You havn't even dyno'd your car yet, my car felt stronger too... it's just your wallet getting lighter buddy.
We tuned everything though, FPR, Cam gear, and timing. If crower doesn't suck.. then where is the power?...regardless of the size of lobe, duration.. a performace cam usually means that it will be benificial not a hinderance. it sucks. I emailed Brain Crower, he said "keep the cam gear at 0' for upper rpm horse power."
The cam was installed by a very good shop, they are the best in the biz in the area, in several mags, and videos, and are highly acclaimed. (They are even members of the BBB, and Tempe Chamber of Commerce). The cam just sucks-- so far. And if I was to get anything higer profile.. I WOULDN'D PASS EMISSIONS. I don't have a beater that I drive, and a honda that I "build", my car has to be both. So once again. Blow me. Hater.

And to "B18C5-EH2", thanks for the real help. You sir, are a badass. Thanks again.


[Modified by SlowD, 11:27 PM 9/8/2002]


[Modified by SlowD, 11:30 PM 9/8/2002]


[Modified by SlowD, 11:31 PM 9/8/2002]

Kamin

im gonna go out on a limb here
you arent using a VAFC and running stock valves/springs and redline?

if this is the case
the reason you arent making any power is because
1) the vtec lobe is to big for the stock engagment point
2) it makes power WELL beyond the stock redline
3) you need to upgeade the springs (i belive) to move the redline forward.


[Modified by KAMiN, 11:47 PM 9/8/2002]

BlackDeuceCoupe

Hahahahahaha!

Mr. Thunderlips

N/A SOHC rocks...Keep your head up bro, you'll figure that out. Just keep trying. I love it when people build SOHC screamers. Go against the grain.

Spade

ROFL....Crower Sucks huh? You're the dumbass who bought a cam with Profiles that are too damn close to stock.

Listed in Advertised Duration/ Duration @ .050" / Gross Lift w/1.6 in and 1.8 ex
Stock Specs for D16Z SOHC VTEC (92-95) 244 / 228 208 / 192 384 / 370
Stock Specs for D16Y SOHC VTEC (96-up) 246 / 230 208 / 191 393 / 369

63440 Stock replacement. Excellent for automatics and mild turbo on the street with no other modifications. Idle to 7000+ rpm. 250 / 230 210 / 192 387 / 370

Stage 1 = 259 / 235 224 / 196 405 / 383

If your going to buy a cam, don't waste your money on a weak lift and duration!



[Modified by Spade, 7:45 AM 9/9/2002]

ce

Something's wrong with your setup..**** I even managed to gain 8hp on my old car with a crappy regrind WEB cam (don't buy those..almost messed up me engine )

B18C5-EH2

This might sound a bit out of place, but it is related to the thread starter's problem(s):

I'm not usually one to discourage someone from building what they have, but in this case it might be better to stop what you're doing and really think about what you want from your car.

D-Series motor?

Excellent. No problems there honestly. they have been proven many times over to handle boost and take to N/A mods well also.

1996-up Coupe body?

Not too bad either. Weighing in at probably 2600lbs. for an EX you do have a weight disadvantage. B-Series motors in those cars run good, as well as H-Series motors too. Boosted D-Series motors aren't bad either.

N/A D-Series Motor in a 1996-up Coupe Body?

Not so sure. You are starting with a big disadvantage in weight. 'you are also coupling this with trying to pass emissions (OBD2 makes this nearly impossible) while staying N/A on a D-Series motor.

Why not put the coupe back to stock and get a pre-1996 Civic to build upon? Coupe or hatch, it's really your call. Either way you'll have some advantages:

1. WEIGHT. The 1992-1995 Civics of the same trim weigh less than the 1996-up versions.

2. OBD1. Less headaches with an OBD1 ECU with a big cam.

3. It's so much easier to pass emissions. Here in GA they will run a scanner on any 1996-up car. this means they plug it right up and if the ECU throws ANY codes or whatever, you fail. even if the car would pass, the codes make it fail.

4. MONEY. That's right. Selling your newer car will free up money once you buy the much cheaper 1992-1995 Civic. The insurance is also way cheaper too.

Imagine having a car that weighs 2100lbs. as opposed to your 2600+lbs. car. The less weight you have to pull, the less whp you'll need to make to be as fast or faster than your current car.

Does that make any sense to you?

SlowD

Ah, I dont know. I got this car new for 14,000. That guy spade up there?? I don't know what he's talking about... I recall him saying "cars suck, I'm buying a crotch rocket" I may have bought a lower profile cam, BUT!!! at least I didn't buy an civic HX like your dumbass did. Anywho, all fights aside, should I sell and start over with a 95? I have spent so much time learning about my Y8, and working on it, and taking good care of it. I would have to find some grandma who bought a 5speed coupe back in 95' with only 20k on the motor. No, I do like those 95's though, If I started over I think I would swap.. less headache, less mess, less money in the long run. (well that's what I feel right now, But I love the d series motors, they have some potential.)


[Modified by SlowD, 9:59 AM 9/9/2002]

B18C5-EH2

D16Z6 SOHC VTEC motors are very much like your D16Y8.

Also, the SOHC VTEC ZC is pretty avaialble now. But a high-mileage good bodied 1993-1995 Coupe or 1992-1995 hatch and swap one in after you build it up.

SlowD

well i am going to try playing with the cam timing one more time, then i am going to list it in autotrader.

builthatch

something is severly wrong with your cam timing man...or your setup...sell that crower cam to a unsuspecting yelp and buy the crower stage 3, you will then make more power than you bargained for if you support it...****, get the gude godzilla cam if your desperate to make hella power, ive seen 15 whp from that ****....ZEX IS WEAK, get crower 3


[Modified by builthatch, 4:49 PM 9/9/2002]