Nextelbuddy

just finished 5 lug conversion. all wheels are straight exceptrear passenger side wheel. the actual front of the wheels is pointing outward almost liek the trailing arm is pushed out. i have tried adjusting it a little but no luck. i called all my friends that work at alignment shops and they all say that civics dont have TOW adjustment in the rear only camber, and if my rear wheels has a TOW problem then my trailing arm or something is bent and no alignment can fix that.

if that is true than i am kinda screwed i can tdrive the car with the wheel the way it is right now. is it possible to use the trailing arm from my gsr rear disk brakes and swap over the 5 lug spindle, caliper or hub assembly i guess? basically can i swap over the rotor, caliper and hub over the the gsr trailing arm? or will that not work?

jeff652

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Your friends are morons

Honda rear suspension IS toe adjustable. In fact on your car TOE is the only thing you can adjust on the rear without aftermarket components.

Adjust the compenator arm at the front of the trailing arm, that is how you adjust your rear toe settings

Also yes you can swap the ITR spindle assembly onto your GSR trailing arm. I've done it a few times . . .

HTH
Jeff

Chris y0!

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um no... i work at an alignment/tire shop as well and civics DO have front and rear toe adjustments.

bardo

talk to chameleon on hondatech he did a complete 5 lug conversion to his old EG and has a whole step by step with pictures right here:
http://www.jdmvtec.com/5lugday1.html

http://www.jdmvtec.com/5lugday2.html

navin

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um no... i work at an alignment/tire shop as well and civics DO have front and rear toe adjustments.</TD></TR></TABLE>

way to state the obvious

ekb18cCivic

lol im gunna restate the obvious also they do have toe adjustment .. your friend proly meant caster not toe.. civics dont have caster adjustment


Modified by ekb18cCivic at 5:59 PM 12/7/2003

Chris y0!

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way to state the obvious </TD></TR></TABLE>

no problem... when i replied to this thread jeff652 hadn't posted yet.

Nextelbuddy

thanx for the replies.

is there anyone that can tell me if a alignment shop can fix the problem of my rear passenger wheel pointing outward? im not talking about pointing in on the top side like bad camber, im talking about the front side of the wheel pointing outward. or does that seem like something is actually bent?

Chris y0!

something is probably bent...

Nextelbuddy

so you would reccomend instead of wasting money on a alignment to just go ahead and swap all the 5 lug hardware onto the known good gsr trailing arm? if so are there any special tools required? such as hydro presses or air tools? or would this be possible with my hand tools?

jeff652

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Yes, you need a big TORX socket though. I forget the size . . .

Once you buy that socket, it's all hand tools (air makes it easier though)

Nextelbuddy

where would i use this TORX socket? i did not see anywhere that used that

jeff652

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Sears, OSH, Home Depot, etc.

Look at the back of the trailing arm (inside, where the spindle bolts up) and you'll see what I am talking about.

HTH
Jeff

LSVtecEK1

its really easy, i just changed the hub on my front gsr brakes while putting on the 4 lug type r suspension because the knuckle was bent. All u have to do is get that slding hammer tool (i forget what it is called) but you can rent it at autozone for free. then just bolt it onto the lug studs, and pull the hub right off.

Nextelbuddy

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Adjust the compenator arm at the front of the trailing arm, that is how you adjust your rear toe settings</TD></TR></TABLE>

i tried that earlier tonight when i forst noticed the problem. i loosened that bolt and slid it back inward as far as i could and the wheel only moved inward maybe a 1/16 of an inch. that was the best i could do. it was almost like that wasnt enough and i felt like there just had to be another bolt somewhere that would help counter that by bringing the rear of the wheel outward so that would even out the front but i couldnt find anything like that so i assume that something is bent in a weird place that isnt noticable to the eye just looking at it. so im just gonna take the known good trailing arm i have and swap everything over. and if it still is messed up then im doing something wrong.

jeff652

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The bolt you adjusted should be enough to correct the problem.

If it isn't then something is definetely bent and should be replaced.

HTH
:-)
Jeff

Nextelbuddy

right. so replacing the entire trailing arm with a gsr one and just swapping over the 5 lug hardware should correct the problem correct?

uc0083

If you replace the arm it will be expensive if you do it right. When you press out the rear hub you are going to have to replace the wheel bearing on the gsr one.

jeff652

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Yes, correct.

And no you don't have to press any bearings - (don't talk if you don't know what you are talking about.)

Just unbolt the spindle with everything still attached to it.

Why would he want to tear everything down when you don't need to?

Nextelbuddy

well i have a gsr trailing arm complete with the gsr disc brakes on it already. since i know its not bent. im gonna take off the gsr disc brake stuff (naked trailing arm left) and swap over the 5 lug disc brake stuff to the gsr trailing arm. i looked at chameleons website and thats what he did and he didnt say anything about having to replace any hub bearings. so i think im in the clear. here is a pic below courtesy of chameleon.

after you guys look at this can u tell me is there anything else i have to do besides swaping over stuff? do i really have to replace hub bearings liek that guy said? or will i be ok just swapping over the necessary hardware?

uc0083

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jeff652 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, correct.

And no you don't have to press any bearings - (don't talk if you don't know what you are talking about.)

Just unbolt the spindle with everything still attached to it.

Why would he want to tear everything down when you don't need to?</TD></TR></TABLE>


My bad I was thinking front knuckle hub for some reason.

Nextelbuddy: Ignore my posts I was being a dumbass.

Nextelbuddy

also one more thing after completing the 5 lug swap. my fron twheels are ok but my steering wheels instead of being straight is almost 80 degrees to the right. i have done gsr brake swap in the front before and never had that happen. basically when im driving now after doing the 5 lug swap to drive straight my steering wheel is about 75-80 degrees to the right. if i put the steering wheel straight my car will go left severly. i was hoping a alignment would clear this up but i have never seen the steering wheel so off before. is there any reason for concern for this? can a alignment shop get it back to normal with the steering wheel being so off? i know im paranoid but just curious. any advice from you alignment experts?

Aceman64

Yes, after an alignment the steering wheel will be straight again.


-Ace

Nextelbuddy

can anyone explain why the steering wheel becomes so off after replacing the front hub/spindle assembly? i mean besides the tie rods i cant think of anything else on the front that would cause this to happen. i now im asking a lot of questions but im trying to better understand the brake/suspension system of the car co that i will be better/informed next time

LSVtecEK1

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My bad I was thinking front knuckle hub for some reason.

Nextelbuddy: Ignore my posts I was being a dumbass.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You still dont have to replace the wheel bearing.