imzjustplayin

I want a Civic EX 4 door which has ABS, Cruise Control, Power windows etc. but I don't want a moon/sun roof because of the maintence issues and weight associated with it. I was wondering if there were any EXs sold that did not include a moon/sunroof. Also I wanted to know if the insulation on the chassis was/is heavier than that on the LX, DX sedans.

What I want in a car:
List of Features I want in a car:

A/C
Tilt Steering
Manual Transmission
Radio
Defogger
Cruise Control
Tachometer
Cassette player
Power Windows
Power Locks
Power Mirrors
4 Wheel Disc Brakes

98civdx

no the exs come with the sun roof.
you can get a cover made for it tho.
yea its going to be havier the an a dx cause it has noithing. but the ex and lx arent that far apart ex only has a few more opinons the a lx

arrocha87

well the lx has everything u stated except its not a vtec... my 92 has power locks and windows, abs, cruise control, power steering, a/c, etc...

imzjustplayin

Your 92 has those, but what about a '94 or '95? I want dual airbags and I plan on swapping in a D15Z1 engine and CX/VX transmission into said vehicle, also I'm considering getting the non powersteering rack and pinion as well since that will mean one less drive belt.

94EG8

Urg, you might want to rethink this project. Its unlikely to work the way you think it will. Sedans by themselves aren't that heavy, however once you add all the power options and ABS into the equation it will be. And the D15Z1 isn't going to get the mileage you think it will either, that engine is going to be working a lot harder in that car than it did in the VX. '94 - '95 civics had dual airbags, although in the name of mileage and weight reduction i'd recommend not running any at all. I can see this with a DX sedan, swap in a manual rack and D15Z1, that makes sense, this, well this doesn't.

arrocha87

i believe all eg LX sedans came like that or atleast had the option to. ud have to look around. the only diff is that only the 92s are wired for vtec and i think only 95s had dual airbags. i plan on removing mine as soon as i can buy a momo wheel.

imzjustplayin

You may have a point as I was looking at the crash tests on the NHTSA PDF and they had the CX listed as 2060 pounds while the DX sedan as 2347 pounds. So is the DX basically a 4door sedan version of the CX? Are there any other reasons why the DX would weigh more than the CX besides it being longer and having two more doors? It's also amusing to see how the GVWR of the DX is conveniently about 300 lbs more than the CX; I wonder where they come up with the GVWR any how.

Though I'm wondering, could adding those features really be enough to make the taller transmission and the lower HP motor not work in such a chassis? The Vtec-e motor should give it more low end torque making the taller tansmission work better than would be expected.

I thought I should mention that the DX Sedan is a 1993 model that weighed 2347 pounds and had the following features:
Automatic Transmission
Power Steering
Pwr Brakes

The CX is a 1992 model that weighed 2060 pounds has the following features:
Manual Transmission
Power Brakes

This wikipedia article has all the weights listed for the cars:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-g...on_Honda_Civic

The '94-'95 LX Sedan M/T 2,403 lb while the '94-'95 EX Sedan M/T is 2,522 lb. So what would make the EX weigh 100 more pounds?

imzjustplayin

Can you get a Civic LX with 4 wheel disc brakes? I figured that if you could get ABS on the LX, that maybe it would require 4 wheel disc brakes.

94EG8

It was optional in '94 at least, thats the only year I can confirm (info taken directly from the '94 civic sedan sales brochure.)

In relation to your previous post the '94 EX sedans came standard with A/C, I figure most of the weight comes from this and the moonroof (the moonroof assembly weighs a lot more than you would think.)

If you built a DX sedan with no A/C, manual steering rack, manual tranny, VX wheels, etc you could come very close to the weight of a VX.

Also in regards to wondering where that extra 300lbs on the DX sedan came from, automatic transmissions are heavy.

trustdestruction

Sort of, but the DX has a D15B7, and the CX has a D15B8 with an even longer geared transmission.

Also, many DX's actually have power steering. CX's do not.

imzjustplayin

Well the '92-'93 DX Manual Sedan weighs 2,275lbs so while the automatic weighs a lot, it doesn't weigh 300lbs more..

twiztid_989

I have a 94 honda civic sedan thatz an ex with abs, four wheel disc brakes w sun roof, air con, power steering.it also has power everthing w cruise control

twiztid_989

Oh yea it also has dual air bags in it

twiztid_989

A/C
Tilt Steering
Manual Transmission
Radio
Defogger
Cruise Control
Tachometer
Cassette player
Power Windows
Power Locks
Power Mirrors

MY CAR HAS ALL OF THIS IN IT

trustdestruction

what's your point?
we all know what an EX has.

twiztid_989

And mine dont weight that much

tazeat

With the d15z1 I would definitely stay with the longer tranny, it has NO power passed 4.5k or so... I'm saying this with a '93 Civic EX, EX tranny, no dual air bags, but I have the sun roof (ac too, but it's not connected, missing parts for the pulley when I bought it and I haven't felt like buying them)... I love the sun roof in the summer, leave the windows up and the sun roof back .

blacc_ej1

i have a fully loaded 93 ex with a d15z1... people say that they can not feel the VTEC kick at all but i do..... idk i have the stock p28 ecu..... is that reason why im feeling the VTEC unlike other folks???

trustdestruction

You should never, ever, feel VTEC "kick." If it does, you or someone else has changed the VTEC engagement point to a non-efficient RPM.

And it's VTEC-E, with 90HP, you shouldn't be feeling VTEC in the performance aspect really at all...

tazeat

Surprisingly you actually do notice it in the vtec-e... Its not so much of a kick as it is a surge of power, I've played with the crossover rpms quite a bit too, stock setting seems to be the best, too early you just waste gas earlier and it doesnt feel right, too late you have no power until you get in to the revs where the engine is no good even with vtec... I seriously hate this engine though. I keep putting money in the savings, hopefully by summer I'll get something ballin'...

You also got to remember the stock settings have vtec engage at about 2550 when your on the gas and about 3050 otherwise... Quite a bit different than the 4500ish on the normal vtec cars...

blacc_ej1

haha i hate this engine also.... the olny good this is the fuel efficiency. no power what so ever lol.

92'si

why, why, why... when VTEC pops, it brings a smile to my face, all my worries disappear, I can't hear my girlfriend nagging, I don't worry about a thing. Pure Simple Bliss. Just me chunking a deuce at the poor sap who's now losing. :D

blacc_ej1

hahaha niice

xsaxisx

Wtf is wrong with a sunroof? who needs an electric! my CX has one that pops up and down you can just remove it in the summer time all clip on/off and it isnt very heavy at all.

94EG8

The EX sedans (EX-V in Canada) came with a very heavy electric moonroof. But its still the only way i'd go if I wanted a sunroof, and its why my next project is an Si hatch. The pop up sunroof you have is aftermarket, they often leak and a lot of people wont buy a car with an aftermarket sunroof for that reason.