VTECTIME

Front: Pivot Mount (type) Max degrees: 1.75
Rear: Shim (type) Max degrees:1.75
firts: Acura Integra 94-01,
Honda Civic 92-95,
Revo Technica Camber Correction Kit


could someone tell me by reading that... How much I can drop my Civ?

tonyxcom

you dont need any of that to drop your civic. You can easily drop it 2" and do without a camber kit of any sort.

Just MAKE SURE to get an aligment afterwards.

Tetsuwan Atomu

I dont get it...explain?? please?? do you mean to tell me u dont need camber kit as long as u get alignment or are u saying that depending on ur camber(after alignment), u might need it or not??
I dropped my car 1.75 in front(00'ex) and just bought camber kit

tonyxcom

Ok, I have been through this MANY MANY times, I always say I will never go through it again... but what the hell.

Q. Why did you get a camber kit for?
A. Either somebody told you that you were going to "camber" your tires or your tires have major "camber" wear.

Q. So do I need a camber kit?
A. Probably not. You can run about -2 degrees of camber on your front tires and with a proper alignment, under normal spirited driving you will not have any "camber" wear.

Q. So what is a proper alignment?
A. Having your alignment tech set your front and rear TOE to absolutely ZERO.

Q. So what gives your tires "Camber" wear?
A. When you lower your car, and few things change. The most obvious is camber because it is the most visible change. The other thing that changes is your TOE.

When viewed from the top of your car, when you wheels are like
\ / They have Toe OUT.

/ \ They have Toe IN

| | They have ZERO TOE.

Now take camber out of your mind, just forget about it completely. When your car rolls forward with either Toe IN or OUT your tires are working against eachother. The car wants to go straight, but the tires want go towards eachother (toe in) or away from eachother (toe out). Because the tires aren't going in a straight line, logic tells you they are traveling farther then the car itself. Since if the car is going in straight line, that is the shortest distance.

So what is happening to the tires during this. They are wearing out faster then they should be. So it is concluded that it an excessive Toe IN or Toe OUT condition is causing the premature wear on the tires.

So, what the hell does camber have to do with all this? It's simple. Lets add some Negative Camber to the Toe IN condition in the example above.

Now, the tops of the tires are tipped inward, putting more preassure on the inside bottom of the tire. With a Toe IN condition, you have just told the car WHERE to prematurely wear out your tires. A term often called "Camber Wear"

Camber only tells your tires where to wear out. TOE IN/OUT is what does the wearing out.

---
Q. So if I have -2 degrees of camber and have my Toe set to exactly ZERO, can I still get camber wear?
A. Absolutely. Its called peeling out, which wears out tires in all conditions.

FYI. I have roughly 10k miles on my car. I have -1.75 of camber in front and -1.5 in the rear (used a washer for a little correction) My Toe is set to ZERO front and back. My tires are wearing very even.

Hope that helps everyone, and if anyone asks again, please pass them along to this thread.



[Modified by tonyxcom, 6:14 AM 10/25/2002]

Tetsuwan Atomu

thanx for the info......I just need it to know if I wasted money on it or not....I do have some camber wear on my front tire, so I guess I didnt waste money at all..."clicked save as"

tonyxcom

sigh, I give up.

IM ALL BOB

actually tony I have to thank you for giving me the Lament's form of what to watch for as I did have my car lowered approx 2 inches for about 15K+miles and only showed slight wear on one tire but as u stated it was the toe that killed it and not the actual camber..but I decided to invest in a ingalls kit but regarless as long as u rotate your wheels and get an alignment once in a while you'll be fine without a camber kit

EddieHatchBlack

IMO, anytime you change something with your suspension, (IE: springs, shocks, higher, lower.) get an alignment and have your toe set at 0.

MY settings are: Camber -1.5f/-1r Toe 0f/0r

Thanks Tony.

tonyxcom

no problem guys.

VTECTIME

Do i Have to go to a garage to have the toe corrected after I drop 2 inches without camber?

tonyxcom

Well you have to go get an alignment if that is what you mean.

VTECTIME

yep and ima get that installed by a mechanic

Tetsuwan Atomu

dont worry I know what you mean..as long as u get alignment and rotate tires regularly, u dont need camber kit...but for me I want to have piece of mind....

tonyxcom