98dxhatch

More specifically, my near bone stock 98 dx hatch?
Also, no cheating! Engine swaps are unacceptable for this scenario. Must keep stock SOHC.

Mods so far:
bone-stock D16y7
GReddy TD-4-15G turbo kit w/ GReddy Type-31 FMIC
15" Konig Theory wheels riding Yokohama rubber
2.5" custom cat-back w/ Magna-flow oval muffler (running straight pipe, no cat!)

I'm switching over to 5spd along with a ACT clutch and GReddy Type-S bov. These are the next immediate mods.

Next mods that will come after...
- Hondata or AEM to tune
- Boost controller (prolly gonna get GReddy Profec-B to match the GReddy turbo-timer that I already got)
- Skunk2 or JG D-series Intake Manifold

Assuming that I get this all done and tuned for 10 lbs. of boost (on either Hondata/AEM) will I be able to beat the following:
1) Mustang GT?
2) Z28?

Ok I know those mods aren't near enough for my hatchie to comp with a Camaro SS, but what other options besides building the engine would I have?
I tried searching this and got nothing.

Also, if I build the engine, would the following mods done to it be enough so that I could run sufficient boost to beat a SS?
1) re-sleeve the block to 82-84mm bore
2) Eagle rods w/ ARP bolts
3) low-compression pistons, Wiseco etc?
4) a decent metal headgasket
5) port the head, install new valves, guides, and seals
6) install titanium retainers and springs

Thanks guys. Im just trying to see if it's worth it to keep working on my hatch or just wait it out and buy something better.

FlatlineEF9

the only camaros that dont scare me are the v6s, lol

Itz Darave

my b16 EG hatch with i/h/e skunk ecu and v-afc smoked a SVT moostang... haha
but then couple months later... floated a valve and now i have this car... http://www.cardomain.com/id/laosfu

NOSpeed97

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dimi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All that time and $$ invested to beat a stock SS? Just buy a SS and be done with it. Then you go up against an SS that has MINOR work done to it and get spanked. Do it to be fast for yourself and nice for yourself, don't do it to be faster than another car. By the time you invest all the $$ to beat a SS you'll probably invest the same $$ that a SS costs...IMO...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Who said he wanted an SS?

TurboJesse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Laosfu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my b16 EG hatch with i/h/e skunk ecu and v-afc smoked a SVT moostang... haha
but then couple months later... floated a valve and now i have this car... http://www.cardomain.com/id/laosfu </TD></TR></TABLE>

wheres the bs flag, svt cobra's are very low 13-high 12 sec cars.....stock.

Archidictus

Why do so many people think the Camaro SS is any different from the Z28? SS is an appearance and suspension package. The engine, supposedly, has 10 more hp, but that's debatable.

Those mods will put you close to a stock GT Mustang (1998+), and nowhere near an LS1 Camaro, SS or otherwise. Build the **** out of it and you should be more capable.

nichols_si

a stock svt low 13's t0 12s? u gota be ******* kidding me

new 03 svt 395 hp runs in 13.0 stock ... a 97 cobra would be in the 13.8s a new mustang 02 GT stock runs in 14-14.5 i dont no where you get those figures .. stock mustang gts are not fast .. u get a stock type R an can go even with him 1st n 2nd just 3rd gear the tq takes over an gt pulls away .. give your head a shake

Spade

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why do so many people think the Camaro SS is any different from the Z28? SS is an appearance and suspension package. The engine, supposedly, has 10 more hp, but that's debatable.

Those mods will put you close to a stock GT Mustang (1998+), and nowhere near an LS1 Camaro, SS or otherwise. Build the **** out of it and you should be more capable.</TD></TR></TABLE>

'01 Camaro SS
346 ci LS1
325 hp @ 5,200 rpm
350 lb-ft @ 4,000 rpm

'01 Camaro Z28
5.7 LS1 V8
305 HP - 335 TQ

TurboJesse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nichols_si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a stock svt low 13's t0 12s? u gota be ******* kidding me

new 03 svt 395 hp runs in 13.0 stock ... a 97 cobra would be in the 13.8s a new mustang 02 GT stock runs in 14-14.5 i dont no where you get those figures .. stock mustang gts are not fast .. u get a stock type R an can go even with him 1st n 2nd just 3rd gear the tq takes over an gt pulls away .. give your head a shake </TD></TR></TABLE>

No where did he say what year mustang it was he just said svt...I assumed new one since there the only stock mustang i would even waste gas on..

slammed_93_hatch

well i don't know an exact setup but, it can be dune ****, bisi had a NA SOHC no tec car running 10's i think soemone correct me on this might have been 11's not supper sure, but his setup is not street able but its possilbe. i would say you should swap for a c1 boost it and have an easy 300whp and be able to pull on mustangs and camero's and what not. also put ur hatch on a deit, its what were we honda guys have a huge advantage so take even more of it

Cee_mon

I went against my two buddies...
One with a 88 5.0 GT stang (intake and gutted cats)and the other in a 96 Z28 i/h/e
My car was a greddy powered d16z6 at stock 6psi...stock clutch and exhaust
Z28 took about 1.5-2 cars on me....we went up to 120kms
5.0 took only about 3 feet....we went to 140kms
Now at 8psi exhaust and bully clutch with 9lbs fly, i pull on the stang but havent had a chance with the Z28 yet....Only bad thing is now the Z28 runs 13.6's, so i better have some good tuning

-Trinitron-

So how much do they weigh? I have an Si, I/H/E clutch/Flywheel, Chipped ecu w vafc and it is all most Z28's can do to get anything on me.

poison

H22A swap.

SS Camaros are fun to play with a stock motor.

GsR HtCh

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

wheres the bs flag, svt cobra's are very low 13-high 12 sec cars.....stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha bullshit. only the new ones run close to that. the old ones are 14's if lucky

TurboJesse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsR HtCh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

haha bullshit. only the new ones run close to that. the old ones are 14's if lucky</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did he say if it was an old one? When someone says svt most assume the newer ones, i could care less about the older ones ..

Triple T

With all the money you dump into that SOHC you could just save yourself a headache and get an ss. That way you dont waste all your money building up a honda.

Archidictus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spade &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

'01 Camaro SS
346 ci LS1
325 hp @ 5,200 rpm
350 lb-ft @ 4,000 rpm

'01 Camaro Z28
5.7 LS1 V8
305 HP - 335 TQ
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Projected with the SS's "ramair" which only functions in tripple-digit speeds. Dyno the both of them and they'll put down the same numbers because they have the exact same engines.

uranazo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Triple T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With all the money you dump into that SOHC you could just save yourself a headache and get an ss. That way you dont waste all your money building up a honda.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wtf are you doing on this website if you love chevy so much? everything they make is trash... anyone can put 8 cyclinders in a car and make it fast... they still used the same basic old engine designs from 20-30 years ago ... using new technology and coming to the realization that amount of hp/torque dont matter for ****, its hp/torque to weight ratios that make a car fast and when you got a big huge heavy v8 the weight minimum is very high...

1 point 6

a miracle, perhaps divine intervention. Maybe the SS doesnt have a motor.

Triple T

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by uranazo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

wtf are you doing on this website if you love chevy so much? everything they make is trash... anyone can put 8 cyclinders in a car and make it fast... they still used the same basic old engine designs from 20-30 years ago ... using new technology and coming to the realization that amount of hp/torque dont matter for ****, its hp/torque to weight ratios that make a car fast and when you got a big huge heavy v8 the weight minimum is very high... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Stop talking.... Your an idiot for saying everything chevy makes is trash.. Just stick to your 4 "FAKE SOHC VTEC" banger you ignorant ricer and let me know when you smoke anything with a v8 [suvs and trucks dont count cakeboy]. You have no idea what your talking about you dont even know if your car has vtec moron.

civicboisi

Aren't we talking about two TOTALLY different classes here???

Triple T

yeah but when you ask if your auto dx hatch with a greddy kit is worth keeping to beat an ss then you get responses like this.

98dxhatch

true, but like i said the tranny swap is pending and upcoming so... (not really an issue here)

so gt mustangs shouldn't be a problem from the responses i gather. before i build the block i may try a head swap, lil more boost, and tuning (by st00pid?) and i might be happy. as far as where i am with the car, i'm not really happy with the results of the kit.

btw i'm running 6.5lbs boost w/ stock greddy emanage from the factory settings. car is still obd-2a. i have an o2 simulator so OBD issues arent really an issue here either.

it's cool, and i really appreciate the feedback.

mycivicstoo(s)low

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FlatlineLemon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only camaros that dont scare me are the v6s, lol</TD></TR></TABLE>Even those scare me. Now v6 Mustangs are a different story; they merely frighten me.

matt98hb

I had a 2000 and 2002 6 speed Formula firebird that ran 12's stock...the pontiac version of the ss....of course I did'nt leave them stock for long

like they said modify your car for you , because the amount of money you will spend trying, could have easily bought you another car...

good luck