jdmjay04

I was wondering if this is a good idea. I was thinking of making my car a track car and Im pretty sure im going to be breaking parts if I turbo it and track it. So I decided to stay N/A . Im gonna purchase the block brand new from Acura . What other mods do you guys suggest? Trust me I searched and searched and found nothing that helped me answer my q's.

Spade

Don't bother wasting your money with a brand new block.

Every single item not attached to the block is extra money, even the nuts and bolts!

Buy a used B20Z block and work with that.

jdmjay04

The Block alone from Acura is 2200 excluding tax. Thats pretty steep. I just need the bottome end and I really would like a R Bottom end does anybody know a place where I could pick up one. Im not going to go Horse Power crazy on my application . All I want is just to have a good 175-180 Hp Car.

butters

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spade &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't bother wasting your money with a brand new block.

Every single item not attached to the block is extra money, even the nuts and bolts!

Buy a used B20Z block and work with that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well if you got money to burn, go ahead and buy a brand new c5 block from the dealer.. if you want suggestions, i'd say buy an ls block, sleeve it, drop pistons of your choice, build the head up, hondata+tune.

Targa250R

This is kind of pointless and a waste of money.

If you use it with a B16A2 head that has a stock valvetrain, you can't rev it over 8200 anyway. Get a GSR shortblock instead.

For the rediculous amount of money you would spend by buying a new C5 block from Acura (if you can even still get one, since they have been out of production for 3 years now), you could get a bare B18 block and install all aftermarket internals and end up with a much stronger engine.

B_CRUZ!

best bet would be to buy a used B18C1 or jdm B18C block and do a mild build/rebuild. It would be cheaper in the long run and much stronger if you choose your parts wisely.

jdmjay04

Im not going to leave the head stock. Its going to be ported and Ill add a ITR valve train and Hondata.

WHITFIELD-TUNED

i have 1 gsr short block with spun rod bearing....500$ and i have a b18c5 short block with 17k miles 1500.00

B18C5-EH2

I will go against the flow and say buy the new B18C5 shorty block.

You cannot beat an O.E Honda build IMO.

I've beaten my B18C5 for over 3 years with zero engine problems ever.

The only way I'd try and build one would be:

1. There was a COMPETANT machine shop in my area

2. I found a used shortblock assy. that only burned oil/smoked

3. I could build an engine, OR someone good at engine building was hooking me up price wise

That's the only way it would be done IMO.

The labor to build an engine plus the uncertainty of the different hands being in it would lead me to say that $2,200.00 for an assembled block is a steal.

Who wants to argue against the build quality of an O.E Honda block?

B18C5-EH2

BTW no offense, but the only way I'd buy any used block is if it was only using some oil and smoking - and if it was cheap.

Spun rod bearings, "knockers", etc. will cost more to fix than it's worth IMO.

Sometimes the crank journal(s) are damaged so bad that you cannot fix them, or you have to weld them up and grind them - again I'm not sure I'd want that **** spinning to 8500rpm in my car.

A "smoker" will require a mild bore and finish hone with some nice oversized pistons, or you can go *****-out and go overbored and get close to 2.0L.

IMO it's not an open and shut case for either choice, build one or buy new.

JDMlyfestyle

for that price u could have a nice block made by Importbuilders.com

chad

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I will go against the flow and say buy the new B18C5 shorty block.

You cannot beat an O.E Honda build IMO.

I've beaten my B18C5 for over 3 years with zero engine problems ever.

The only way I'd try and build one would be:

1. There was a COMPETANT machine shop in my area

2. I found a used shortblock assy. that only burned oil/smoked

3. I could build an engine, OR someone good at engine building was hooking me up price wise

That's the only way it would be done IMO.

The labor to build an engine plus the uncertainty of the different hands being in it would lead me to say that $2,200.00 for an assembled block is a steal.

Who wants to argue against the build quality of an O.E Honda block?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i would agree with TOM.....
screw what these riceboys are saying!! they have NO CLUE!!!!

go OE acura NEW bottomend! swap everything you need from your b16 block.....BOOOO YAAA.....cept for oil cooler...you will need to get that unless your b16 has one already....

new itr block is the way to go....i have more experience than anyone in this thread....

chad

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMlifestyle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for that price u could have a nice block made by Importbuilders.com</TD></TR></TABLE>

BULL CRAP!!!!


2200 for a NICE block build....I DON"T FREAKING THINK SO!!!!

JDMlyfestyle

From import builders

Description: "I have an LS/VTEC" Is what a lot of people are saying nowadays. If you have a B16A, or a regular LS/VTEC with a stock block, this one is your choice. IT even offers significant gains over Type-R and GSR blocks. This block features the following details:
IB Spec Wiseco Pistons, JE pistons, or Arias Pistons. You choose!
Eagle Rods or Probe Rods
Bore, Hone, Hot tank, Deck (if nec)
Balanced Crank
Polished Crank
All new Bearings & Thrusts
All new seals, and Oil pan Gasket
New VTEC oil pump
New VTEC water pump
LS/VTEC Oil line Kit with all fittings
Compressions come in 9:1, 9.4:1, 10.5:1, 11.8:1, 12:1, 12.5:1
Price: $2400 Shipped.

Description: "I want a lower budget build with good peak power." A good build in a lighter car, such as a CRX or 92-95 civic hatch. You want a lighter car, because this is a high RPM block, which will lack torque. This block features the following details:
IB Spec Wiseco Pistons, JE pistons, or Arias Pistons. You choose!
Eagle Rods or Probe Rods
Bore, Hone, Hot tank, Deck (if nec)
Balanced Crank
Polished Crank
All new Bearings & Thrusts
All new seals, and Oil pan Gasket
New VTEC oil pump
New VTEC water pump
LS/VTEC Oil line Kit with all fittings
Compressions come in 8.4:1, 9.8:1, 10.5:1, 11.8:1, 12:1, 12.5:1
Price: $2100 Shipped.


Modified by JDMlifestyle at 3:00 PM 3/24/2004

B18C5-EH2

Have you actually called IB and priced that stuff for real?

I'm thinking those are simply listed prices for their website.

Also something to keep in mind when building an engine that you buy:

You will still spend at least $1,000.00 just for bearings, rings, wrist pins, T-Belt, Waterpump, oil pump, gaskets, etc. Notice I'm not throwing in pistons either, those are extra.

By the time a person buys the parts and pays a machine shop to bore/hone it and make sure everything mics out okay the cost would be over the $2,2,00.00 IMO.

I paid employee discount for my SOHC parts for my D16A6 build and it was about $1,000.00 for all of the above plus O.E pistons and the headset.

As far as IB goes, I think I'll call them up.

The Internet Tough Guy

2200 for a new c5 block from acura? hell that's not even that bad. i bet you could get it for cheaper via len or bert-o. i'd do it if i had the money. can't go wrong with a brand new motor from the people who make them in the first place.

JDMlyfestyle

i know the B16 is very close to the actual pricing. iron sleeves and full bottom end balancing are extra tho.

B18C5-EH2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jwn7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2200 for a new c5 block from acura? hell that's not even that bad. i bet you could get it for cheaper via len or bert-o. i'd do it if i had the money. can't go wrong with a brand new motor from the people who make them in the first place.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually Len was just here at my shop and I showed him this topic.

He said H-Ters get the ITR block for $2,150.00, so $2,200.00 is cheap if the buyer isn't paying shipping.

Len is here in southside ATL, GA at Baranco Acura. (770)960-4520 is his number.

B18C5-EH2

I don't know about the IB stuff.

I knoiw they supposedly build some bad-*** stuff, but I think that Jeff from IB has been banned from H-t many times because he got into some **** with other mods on numerous occasions.

His status here on H-T shouldn't influence a decision to buy his stuff or not, but I'm just posting this to say that it's not like he can post up stuff for himself.

Anyone reading have any real experience with an IB block?

Being that I'm on the East Coast it's very very rare that anyone around here has any IB stuff. A lot of East coasters use other sources or build their own stuff so I've never known anyone personally with an IB spec engine.

They *sound* bad-***, but my heart still says the Honda O.E build is unmatched.

chad

my guess is that these IB builds are based on the customer sending JEFF THE BLOCK AND CRANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in fact i would bet money that is the case....or there is a big core charge!!!!!!! boo ya....ya stupid rice boys that think you can get a forged internal engine block for 2200!!!!!

jumpmann23

BUY Eddiecuts block!!!!!!! even better buy his entire longblock

Mr Hammond

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my guess is that these IB builds are based on the customer sending JEFF THE BLOCK AND CRANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in fact i would bet money that is the case....or there is a big core charge!!!!!!! boo ya....ya stupid rice boys that think you can get a forged internal engine block for 2200!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey Chad just out of curiosity how much coffee do you drink a day?

Just to let all of these "stupid rice boys know" the IB blocks are legit. The prices on the website are what you pay. You also do not send anything to Jeff but money. The prices are good and the quality is damn good. My friend ordered an IB killer B16A block. Sleeved to 84mm, CP pistons, Probe Rods, bearings, thrust washers, polished crank, align honed, hot tank everything. Worked great.

I am an OEM ***** when it comes to Honda quality, but let's not be so close minded eh?

SpoolinEK9

umm if you build your motor right when u turbo you wont brake parts.

Irishweird00

Calm down buddy..... I think the price is pretty fair for a STOCK sleeved block...
Based on the parts that are included, and the fact that they don't provide a block and crank ( you must have a core I think ) and the fact that this can be had for around 2-300 bucks... I think the price is pretty fair. if you talk to people, a fully built, SLEEVED block with everything can be had for 3200 (Built for TURBO) with all internals (EARL)

If it was me, Id just buy the OEM block... you can't go wrong with OEM type R block... I was going to get one myself, but im going boost and it's not worth it for me.

dpw41285

go oem, live your dream not anyone elses. I just bought a brand new short block from toyota for my mr2 turbo for 1300. Could have spent 1500 for a complete take out with tranny and turbo. Do what you want. But everyones opinion will be different.