97dc2ftw

Well here's what I'm planning to do, pull this torque-less b16 out and either go h22a or b18c1/c Gsr/jdm Gsr, what do you guys think will be more reliable for NA, I found a Gsr long block for $1300 90k miles(can use my b16 tranny) or a full jdm h22a swap for 1500, comes with mounts and everything for direct bolt on into my ej8 coupe, and the seller for the h22a is here on HT the guy with the RHD yellow s2k in WA.. Please don't come in and give a bunch of bs, just want to know the pros and cons of both motors..

grumblemarc

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H2B.

mafia

I would go with that h22 swap, But H2B would be a nice choice.

97dc2ftw

yeah, but my choice is between a B18c1 or h22a, I have owned a b18c5 in dc2, b18c gsr in a 99 ej8, but never had a h22a, any handling problems from the weight of the motor or anything?

grumblemarc

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No. But with the H22 you have to do some hacking. That's why H2B is the way to go.

97dc2ftw

What do you mean by "hacking" ? its comes with Aftermarket mounts, linkage, everything to swap into EJ8

grumblemarc

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If I remember correct the shifter has to be mounted farther back in the tunnel, requiring some cutting of the sheet metal. H2B makes it a drop in affair.

pakn-heat

Ya..what sucks about h22 swap...you gotta cut a holes for shift cables to run thru
And to set shifter assembly flat gotta cut too.
Duno bought the ground clearace
But I put h22 in 93 hatch.and it was dropped..think 1.5" drp and I couldn't. Even put my
Fist between the oil pan and ground.
Took less than a week to crack my oil pan lol.
And on passenger side tranny mount(the one on frame)I had to cut it up some)
So if I ever wanted to go back to b series. I would have to remove and replace that braket.wich is welded to frame..and then I would have to patch up holes.
Like I said tho mounting/and ground clearance might be lil diff for you..that's a 96+ civic you have right?

If you want h22 id say h2b.might be lil more expensive though.that way if youwanna go bac to b series one day nuthin will be cut up
I wish I could go that way but funds is low.

rhymeshark916

Hands down B18C GSR or better yet Type R. GSR or Type r with bolt ons in a Ex coupe is plenty of power. You have experienced with the B series so what are you asking? More reliable? B series.

97dc2ftw

probably gonna go b18c1 never was a fan of h series..

hyperblu

H series are little if any heavier than a b series. This has been proven many times over. The way I look at it, is that you never see preludes on the road for a reason. The h22's just are not as reliable as the d's and b's...

grumblemarc

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BS!!! Ever own a Prelude? I have. Don't speak from inexperience. My BB4 was in my possession for 8 years and never gave me a bit of trouble. The H is heavier but it's not THAT heavy. And there's not many Preludes on the road because 1) they weren't as available as the cheaper Civic and 2) cheap F&F fanboys can't afford to get one and because parts are more expensive. The H23 was pretty damn near bulletproof and the H22 with VTEC only made it that much more powerful with more torque than any B-series.

If the parts for it were more affordable and it wasn't so heavy I'd still have it right now. Put that power plant in Civic and there's no contest.

hyperblu

Hence why I say "The way I look at it". This is called an opinion. You have yours, I have mine.

97dc2ftw

Id want the h22 but from what I'm told, there has to be cutting involved and stuff, and its a hassle. I'm just trying get a reliable swap in my coupe, if I wanted to spend time putting a swap in and all, then ill just get a K24, but I need my coupe running, before I part it and sell the 5 lug lol.. unless otherwise

97dc2ftw

what exactly is H2B??? sorry never had a h series..

hyperblu

h series motor with b series transmission.

rhymeshark916

Really? Thank you for own explanation.

The h22's just are not as reliable as the d's and b's. Period.

grumblemarc

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Ever own a Prelude was the question. How can you form an education opinion without benefit of experience? Any of you?
I love how you don't even bother to back that up with any fact.

hyperblu

I think seeing more preludes in the junkyard rather than on the road is more than enough evidence. I doubt the price of parts has ultimately destined every prelude to the scrap yard.

grumblemarc

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How does that POSSIBLY equate to H23/H22s being less reliable?

grumblemarc

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It's a way to get an F/H in the bay mounted to a B series transmission without hacking. if I had to do this little turbo build over I'd go H2B in a heartbeat.

Red_Army

there aren't alot of del sols on the road. they came with Ds and Bs guess that means i shouldn't trust my engines huh? or they only made 25k and for a few years....which one seems more likely to you?

also id assume they're in there because people beat on them.

h2b. or if you have the abilities a straight H is pretty sweet too.

rhymeshark916

Same concept goes to "LSVTEC is super safe". Did H22 come equip in a Civic from factory?

grumblemarc

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Don't try and twist it.
You said the H engines, in and of themselves, were not reliable. That statement is UTTERLY false and uttered by someone that has no experience with them.

Then you have someone else try and say that there are more Preludes in a junkyard than Civics (hard to believe) AS IF the only reason they are there is because the H engines in them were unreliable.

An LSVTEC is a Frankenstein motor that NEVER came from the factory in ANY Honda. The H23/H22 is not. And the swap/build is only as reliable as the person that did the swap and the person that drives/maintains it. That goes for ANY Honda engine.

rhymeshark916

Exactly.

And the H22 didn't come in a Civic for a reason. Just that one small difference. Oh, I have experienced with H2B. I'll tell ya, it's not all that glamorous. There's knick knack crap that will get in the way.

Like I said, B series is the way to go. Fast, reliable, easy and cost effect maintenance. I don't like dealing with things that don't belong(in there)!