mad_jdm98

So i want to save up for a swap. im a full time student and wouldnt have time to do the swap myself so i would pay for this shop to do the swap. the shop is XRS Innovations in glendale, AZ. they have 2 deals im really interested in. one which is a B16A full swap for 3k installed. the other is a B16B CTR full swap for 4.5k installed. would i be paying too much or would i find the motor somewhere else for a cheaper price and have another shop do the install?

all input is greatly appreciated. thanks in advance! here are pics of my ek below. its a 98 btw

tinctorus

seems kinda high to me, but then again I dont know what most shops would charge for the work since I would just do it myself

Is it that you dont have the time,tools or knowledge? or is it just intimidating the thought of doing the swap yourself?

Sr420Det

well a b16a is like 2 grand so theyd b charging u a g in labor, im sure a local honda person would charge u less than that but its still not to bad of a deal. I think the b16b r around 3500-4k.

Deetz

For that kind of money, i wouldn't do either, i don't like engines with no torque. I can wait to scrap the B16A out of my 2000 EM1.

Source out a B20Z with gsr or B16 tranny and axles, it will make way more power and be so much more fun to drive!!

rs2606

4500 is kinda steep for a b16 man I agree with what Sr420det said find some local tuners. Networking is the key to saving money on a swap.

mad_jdm98

i just dont have the time to do it myself or else i would. this car is my dd so its my only means on transportation. i would be able to borrow a car though in the meantime.

mad_jdm98

how much would i be able to find a B20Z for and the B16 tranny with axles? how much power would that setup put out?

Deetz

I paid $1400 for my whole swap....and though i usually swap myself, i had the full install done for me $500

makes 25 ft lbs more tq than a B16A...thats a lot btw, more than a Type R

Makes about the same hp as a B16

The biggest advantage of the larger engine is power band! The bigger engine makes more power for longer!

k20user

B16b are good engine if you can get it for cheap. I bought mine for 2500 complete a few years ago. Don't spend to much on a overrated engine. I mean they are nice torque less engines..but you are probably better of with a GSR or a type R. Those engines kill gas on the freeway..esp with a ctr tranny. Without a good tranny the b16b is pretty mush useless.

mad_jdm98

the B20Z comes from the 98-01 crv correct? and exactly what b16 tranny should i use? which harness,ecu?

chewyv

TheShogan had a nice em1 writeup awhile ago. He kept the transmission and swaped the 5th gear with an ls to keep revs low during highway operation.

sfellow2005

yes b20 comes from crv

my advice is build a b20 vtec ive been running my setup for 5 years and its a blast have both torque and hp advantages my set up witch was a 99 crv motor 99 civic si head and 99 si trans cost 3500 installed with ecu and air conditioning cruise and power steering i leave stock si civics in the dust never raced type r though

mad_jdm98

the same place (XRS Innovations) is selling a GSR full swap for $3200 and $3900 installed?

would i be able to find a shop to do the install cheaper?

mad_jdm98

should i hit up b20vtec for some info then? how much power are you putting out? im gonna leave out the PS though. deff will want AC though here in phx lol

mad_jdm98

im trading my recaros for an obd0 complete b16a swap. will this work for my ek?

thanks in advance!

Deetz

Bad trade!!

Wrong electronics Wiring, dizzy, ecu), wrong style tranny, wrong mounts...don't waste yout time!!

mad_jdm98

guy said its got 50k on the motor. has pr3 ecu. had it in his crx and running. why wrong everything though?

Deetz

i already told you...you want more info, it is all already in this forum under FAQ...i'd seriously suggest you do some research!!!

mad_jdm98

will sure do some research..i just want my car to be fast again why did i sell my ep3 lol no more I-Vtec

Deetz

the EP3 isn't fast, lol

Drop in a B20Z like i mentioned earlier....it would "destroy" what your EP3 used to do!!!!

mad_jdm98

it was fast for me lol

EatMyVTEC :]

Go with the CTR swap. Go with what you feel comfortable. It's your car don't let anyone influence in what you do to YOUR car
But the b16a is ob0 amd everything doesnt match up with a newer gen. They are meant for ef/ed's

Deetz

meh, the last two i drove, sure did not impress me!!! For the same investment, you could get a jdm spec 1.8L gsr...pretty much the same hp....way more torque, and they can still be had with an oem lsd!!!! I think the ctr is a waste unless it's cheap!

EatMyVTEC :]

True. But he gave us a choice between b16a or b and I would much rather have a b than a crappy b16a

phaphon

if you want something reliable go with a gsr its fast and cheap and reliable the swap at most i seen here go for 2500 and for the b20v its a nice set up but it high maintience plus your gonna need to get it tuned so if i were you get a gsr swap and get some upgrades like I/H/E and a intake manifold or if you want to be really fast boost it