99fbpem1

I know that the b16 lacks torque and it's real power lies in the high rpm's. What I am asking is should I play to the engines strengths and go with a 4-1 header or help its lack of power in lower rpm's with a 4-2-1 header. I know that a budget header won't do much, but it will help some. One more question, with a 4-2-1 header, are they longer than a 4-1, thus getting in the way of the cat? Car is a DD

BTW: I did search

nimbyfaygo

I have a DC 4-2-1 header on my B16 (93 SI) and I like it a lot, I have decent low to mid range power, and 5500+ is where it really shines.
It fits like a stock mani and Dp would.

99fbpem1

stainless or ceramic? Is there a problem with 2 peice set ups?

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95civicdx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know that the b16 lacks torque and it's real power lies in the high rpm's. What I am asking is should I play to the engines strengths and go with a 4-1 header or help its lack of power in lower rpm's with a 4-2-1 header. I know that a budget header won't do much, but it will help some. One more question, with a 4-2-1 header, are they longer than a 4-1, thus getting in the way of the cat? Car is a DD

BTW: I did search</TD></TR></TABLE>

Play the motor's strengths.

It's NEVER going to make low end N/A. NEVER EVER EVER. the engine and head design is such that it makes top end. Plus it's only a 1.6. It revs to 8500 for a reason.

lol i've had my fair share of experience with the B16A. There's really no point in gaining 3 hp and .5 lb/ft of torque in an area that you never need when you're trying to go fast.

When you're trying to go fast: You shift at redline. The trans drops the RPMS down to 6k...and you start all over again. Make your power at 6k and up for the most effectiveness.

Mild mods like a 4-1 header arent really going to do much of anything to your low end anyway. I had a 4-1, skunk manifold, VAFC, ebay CAI, and 2.25'' exhaust with vibrant muffler. I never noticed any depreciation in the allready crappy low end. I daily drove the car and never had any problems keeping up with traffic or starting from a stop. They were just bolt ons. It wasnt like I had huge cams and head work.

I did, however, notice a really nice top end kick.

99fbpem1

for under 300 can i get a good header? stainless. Or with my budget will I have to go used. I have heard good things about megan.

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meh. i've heard mixed opinions about megan stuff.

When buying a header, you really have to consider a lot. Ground clearance, finish, power band, power output, quality, and how long it's going to last, plus fitment.

I can say first hand that DC sports makes a very good header for the money. I believe they're right around $300. I got mine for free lol. My ek was SLAMMED (see pics), and it never really had ground clearance issues. It was just the 2.25 inch collector, though. Mine was 4-1. 4-2-1 usually has better ground clearance....but again, it's not really what you want for a B16.


Stainless is pretty if you can keep it pretty. But since you said you're going to be dailying it thru the rain, snow and whatever else, I would go ceramic. They look pretty nice, and they keep their finish without the need to polish it all the time, etc. The JDM 2.5'' collecor is nice, but you're going to need to re-clock your exhaust and you might have ground clearance issues if you're lowered.

Vibrant also makes a very nice header. They're around $400 or a little more, however.

Prices pretty much go up from there.

ke98248

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I bought my Megan Racing 4-2-1 header for my 97 civic ex coupe for $200 shipped and once installed, I noticed extremely minimal benefits from it, only time it seemed to help with in mid-range RPM

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ke98248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I bought my Megan Racing 4-2-1 header for my 97 civic ex coupe for $200 shipped and once installed, I noticed extremely minimal benefits from it, only time it seemed to help with in mid-range RPM</TD></TR></TABLE>

...single cam....

SI_Crazy218

My opinion is stick with ceramic. No hassle in keeping it clean and shiny and 4-1 by the way. Just my 2 cents.

ke98248

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The effects would be fairly similar with a DOHC 1.6 buddy

They would not, however, be similar to a 4.7L V8 motor

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ke98248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The effects would be fairly similar with a DOHC 1.6 buddy

They would not, however, be similar to a 4.7L V8 motor </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol...i duno man. The only time i ever noticed a power gain in my D16Z6 was when I finally blew it up and bought a B16A.

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if i blew up a d16z6 then I would go up to a f20c, h22a, or b18c1

then boost!

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ke98248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i blew up a d16z6 then I would go up to a f20c, h22a, or b18c1

then boost!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have an S2000 and a GSR now. So ...i guess i kinda did lol. I dont do boost, though.

Wait...F20C in a civic?

ke98248

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Haha. Nice, i kinda want an s2000, but I really want a toyota supra 90's

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ke98248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Haha. Nice, i kinda want an s2000, but I really want a toyota supra 90's</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol go drive an S2000. im sure you'll be like "supra who...huh??"
But then again, I roadrace avidly. By avidly I mean I have a bulk blue tape discount. I even painted my stock (track) wheels laguna seca blue (well now they're voodoo blue).

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Can't afford one right now, I'm in college lol, eventually I'll have another car.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ke98248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can't afford one right now, I'm in college lol, eventually I'll have another car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol yeah im in college too. I just had a 2 nice cars that i sold in order to get my cars now. Plus, i works for my modz, yo!! I try to keep it clean.

GF+car+school+active social life+ being the most attractive honda tech member = a killa for rilla

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

lol yeah im in college too. I just had a 2 nice cars that i sold in order to get my cars now. Plus, i works for my modz, yo!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

<FONT COLOR="crimson">I have 2 years to go... Right now I just have my 5 spd. 97 civic ex coupe. Plus, I work for my mods too, I work at Cherry Point BP oil refinery!</FONT>

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ke98248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

<FONT COLOR="crimson">I have 2 years to go... Right now I just have my 5 spd. 97 civic ex coupe. Plus, I work for my mods too, I work at Cherry Point BP oil refinery!</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, I gotta get a real job soon. Funny thing is, it will probably pay a little less than my job now lol.

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I'm boosting my d16y8 for 170-195whp on stock internals.. Then rebuilding/building a d16z6 or dohc zc motor, switching to obd 1 with this kit i found, and shooting for around 350whp with a larger turbo blah blah.. I'm also getting an exedy stage 2 clutch with pressure plate, etc.... too many things to list.


[b]That's funny.. Yeah I had a pay cut of $1.08 an hr when I moved from my summer seasonal job to a part-time gig.

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however, if you look at the above pic...I guess it makes all the tiredness and irritability go away lol. atleast for me.

WTF does this have to do with headers?

ke98248

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Absolutely nothing, just the off-topic bantering of two people. hehe

Back on topic now..

I love that s2000

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ke98248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Absolutely nothing, just the off-topic bantering of two people. hehe

Back on topic now..

I love that s2000</TD></TR></TABLE>


thanks. I gotta say it's like the best car i've ever ever owned lol. I cant get enough of it.

I used to have an 14sec d series all motor bolt on EF (which i miss dearly),
an EG,
an EK (i would kill to get that car back...as a daily),
a 12 second S13 road race car (6 year project),
a rally 300z...which..lasted 2 days but did burnouts long enough to make me cry, cough and not be able to see where to pull over,
a mitsubishi galant (i hated that car),
and now a GSR and S2000.

ke98248

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You must have a high-paying job to afford those toys... How old are you? NM, i just checked.

5_Lug_B

I want an AP1!