99-00 Si subframe/itr sway+beaks kit
02-14-2005, 10:18 AM
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Re: 99-00 Si subframe/itr sway+beaks kit (EBP-Si)
I think its just because the 99-00 si comes with a rear sway stock, therefore it has the reinforcement.
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02-14-2005, 10:33 AM
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Re: 99-00 Si subframe/itr sway+beaks kit (EBP-Si)
remember your sway bar needs to complement your suspension. In order for your upgraded sway bar to perform well your supension need to be just as strong. the higher mm sway bar you have the lower and stiffer your suspension needs to be. The reason they are tearing their subframes is probably because they have too much travel in their suspension. Just think about it. If you put a 22mm sway bar on a stock suspension it is going to twist that bar a lot when you take a turn, therefore putting a lot of stress on the sub frame. Just make sure your suspension is stiff enough for the bar you want.
my personal experience: I had H&R race springs and koni yellows paired with a neuspeed 22mm rear sway bar. which is a good pair. However I just bought it because it was something else for my car. The back end was like it was on a single axle with no suspension. It was so stiff that I would oversteer around corners. So think about what you want. and be careful with it on. I really almost lost it one time. I removed it after that and realized that it handled a lot better without it.
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my personal experience: I had H&R race springs and koni yellows paired with a neuspeed 22mm rear sway bar. which is a good pair. However I just bought it because it was something else for my car. The back end was like it was on a single axle with no suspension. It was so stiff that I would oversteer around corners. So think about what you want. and be careful with it on. I really almost lost it one time. I removed it after that and realized that it handled a lot better without it.
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02-14-2005, 10:34 AM
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Re: 99-00 Si subframe/itr sway+beaks kit (EBP-Si)
The piece being reffered to "the backing plate", probly just means you have nuts welded on the inside of your subframe. So when you put the bolts through they will already have something to grab on to and will not need the supplied backing plate. I would imagine that the SI's which came with a rear sway bar, would have a slightly stronger sub-frame than the rest of the non-rear sway equipped modles... But is it strong enough is a completely different question.
any time you increase the forces on your sub-frame you should think about how much more stress it is going to be, and do you think it will take it? Or maybe the appropriate question should be, can I risk it...
Ask somebody who works at a HONDA dealership if the SI subframe has a different part# than the other EK's? maybe find out if it is different form the CTR, Probly...
What are you using the car for? daily driver, AutoX, track usage?
any time you increase the forces on your sub-frame you should think about how much more stress it is going to be, and do you think it will take it? Or maybe the appropriate question should be, can I risk it...
Ask somebody who works at a HONDA dealership if the SI subframe has a different part# than the other EK's? maybe find out if it is different form the CTR, Probly...
What are you using the car for? daily driver, AutoX, track usage?
02-14-2005, 11:03 AM
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Re: 99-00 Si subframe/itr sway+beaks kit (EBP-Si)
way too many horror stories about subframe tearout..
do yourself a favor and buy the reinforcement kit.
its a lot cheaper then having the subframe cut out and a
new one rewelded into place. Do it right the first time!!!
It comes with the comptech kit for the 99-00 si so that tells
me right there you should have it when going 22mm. I got
it and its great
do yourself a favor and buy the reinforcement kit.
its a lot cheaper then having the subframe cut out and a
new one rewelded into place. Do it right the first time!!!
It comes with the comptech kit for the 99-00 si so that tells
me right there you should have it when going 22mm. I got
it and its great
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02-14-2005, 11:57 AM
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Re: 99-00 Si subframe/itr sway+beaks kit (EBP-Si)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP-Si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I already have a Beaks Kit
Just waiting to get around to installing my itr rear sway and beaks kit together. My car has the new skunk2 pro-series full coilovers. It should be a very good setup. 
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dont trust the beaks... its just a washer basically, there is a thread, about a subframe tore in 3 pages, still on front page here... its got a beaks tear in it, and its nasty... get a reinforcement kit, not a Bling kit Beaks.. It cannot be trusted, that has been proven.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1108514&page=3
I already have a Beaks Kit
Just waiting to get around to installing my itr rear sway and beaks kit together. My car has the new skunk2 pro-series full coilovers. It should be a very good setup. </TD></TR></TABLE>dont trust the beaks... its just a washer basically, there is a thread, about a subframe tore in 3 pages, still on front page here... its got a beaks tear in it, and its nasty... get a reinforcement kit, not a Bling kit Beaks.. It cannot be trusted, that has been proven.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1108514&page=3
02-14-2005, 12:23 PM
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Re: 99-00 Si subframe/itr sway+beaks kit (CooBlueDAB)
yeah you may want to read up, i remember reading even recently about subframe tearout with the beaks kit. An extra hundred or so for the reinforcement will save you a thousand later
02-14-2005, 12:27 PM
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I bought Beaks kit and then sold it brand new. Then I picked up the A-spec race brace (the one for 32mm bar) and paired that up with CTR 22mm rear sway.
Installed it last August. I am still riding on stock suspension (because it is still winter, I don't want salt to seize up the threaded body). I have been driving rather aggressive and so far, everything is fine.
A-Spec gave me the word that it will work with 22mm even with stock suspension. So far, the product is living up to their standard.
Installed it last August. I am still riding on stock suspension (because it is still winter, I don't want salt to seize up the threaded body). I have been driving rather aggressive and so far, everything is fine.
A-Spec gave me the word that it will work with 22mm even with stock suspension. So far, the product is living up to their standard.
02-14-2005, 12:30 PM
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Re: 99-00 Si subframe/itr sway+beaks kit (EBP-Si)
The si is not reinforced at all. It is the same as all other civics. It is well worth the money to buy something like comptech or asr. My subframe tore with the exact setup you are asking about. And I dont track my car. If you are going to put a swaybar on a 99-2000 buy comptech, asr, srr, or something with some kind of reinforcement.
02-14-2005, 02:05 PM
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Re: (CycloneBlue_1.6EL)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CycloneBlue_1.6EL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do those performance setups still use the crappy stock endlinks?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 32mm Race bar comes with some nice Teflon coated endlinks... Even though you can't see them in this Pic...
The 32mm Race bar comes with some nice Teflon coated endlinks... Even though you can't see them in this Pic...
02-14-2005, 05:15 PM
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Re: (Jon V)
That's a nice setup... that tire isn't even making contact! Only reason I asked is because those endlinks can't even stay together on a stock sized EX rear swaybar.
02-14-2005, 05:20 PM
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Re: (CycloneBlue_1.6EL)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CycloneBlue_1.6EL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's a nice setup... that tire isn't even making contact! Only reason I asked is because those endlinks can't even stay together on a stock sized EX rear swaybar. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The ex has a rear sway bar?
The ex has a rear sway bar?
02-14-2005, 05:25 PM
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Re: (CooBlueDAB)
It should... my stock Acura 1.6EL has a rear swaybar... it's not even close to 22mm though, it's more like 12-14mm. The 1.6EL is practically the same car as the 96-00 4 door EX, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
02-14-2005, 05:57 PM
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Re: (CycloneBlue_1.6EL)
ahh you were talking acura, in that case you just spread speculation... Only USDM civic to have a rear sway is the SI, none of the others do.
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Re: (Nova_Dust)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nova_Dust »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No drilling for ASR, it just bolts onto the existing 2 holes on the subframe.
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Where did you get them Control Arms??
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Where did you get them Control Arms??
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