Ricochet.

My friend is going to build a beast of a Civic using only a 150 wet shot. What are some good brands of forged pistons/rods? He's already got a 255lph pump, getting a new clutch and plugs, what else will he need?

SOHCD16y8

Your going to need some good fuel managment to rum that much nitrous

Ricochet.

Like what, a vafc or something? Will he need bigger injectors?
Cost isn't really a factor. (no he doesn't want turbo, this is what he wants)

Slipjack

Sounds like fun, thought about putting N2O in my ride but it's too bad I don't need it. What is he using it for? Hopefully he's not an amateur racer or he could really cause some damage -- NOS isn't for newbies.

Anyway, BME makes really good forged aluminum pistons ( http://www.bmeltd.com I think ), as does KMS Engine Development ( http://www.honda-performance.com/pistons.asp ). KMS will even "remanufacture" your cylinder head, block, throttle body, and oil pump if you want.

aaaabbbb

no not like vafc.. like hondata with the nos program

Ricochet.

He's not a newbie, just doesn't know Hondas very well and is asking for advice. He has a 9 second Camaro and used to have an Eagle Summit sprayed to hell too.

Slipjack, thank you very much for the links

SOHCD16y8

yes you will need hondata and bigger injectors, i would get je pistons and eagle rods because they are cheap and good, youll also need an upgraded ignition, and i would get a stronger head gasket and maybe even upgraded axles cause the stock ones arent meant for that much of a jolt however you may be able to get away with them but since money is not a problem why not

Ricochet.

Cool thanks, I'll let him know.

Slipjack

At the KMS site I linked brand new eagle rods should run about $350 and KMS pistons around $500. They have them available for just about any Honda engine. If ordering online it's cheaper to get it all at the same place.

That's where I'm getting new internals from when I drop a turbo in.

SOHCD16y8

Theres a shop where i live that can get Eagle rods and JE pistons with rings for 800 with any compression ratio and for any engine here is his site http://www.gettherush.com

SiKid86

there is some guy in columbus running a 150 on his STOCK prelude haha

Slopoke

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You dont need to use hondata w/ nitrous control. A good ignition system is a good idea though.

You also do not need bigger injectors.
A dry nitrous kit only injects nitrous into the motor and requires the injectors to provide the extra fuel needed. Shooting a 150shot on a basic dry kit is just plain stupid.
A wet kit injects both nitrous and fuel into the motor, so there is no need for bigger injectors.

For a shot that big, I would suggest a direct port kit(which is a wet kit) from NOS or Nitrous express.
A progressive controller could also be usefull to help with traction issues.

Also, some companies make pistons specifically for nitrous applications. You might want to look into something like that.

SOHCD16y8

What Slopoke said is true you dont NEED it but would you feel confident about hittin that button everytime without worry without fuel managment,i woudnt especially on a d motor

Ricochet.

I just read about the nitrous control a Hondata website and it specifically says to be used for a dry shot only.. I don't think he'll be needing that now.

Slopoke

The only "fuel managment" a nitrous system needs is an adequate fuel pump and properly sized fuel jet.

Ricochet.

Who makes direct port intake manifolds for d16z6's?

Slipjack

This comes with no research before posting. But I think Venom makes direct port manifolds for d16z6. I'll edit when I'm sure. I think the Edelbrock StreetX manifolds do as well.

Edit: I'm about 90% sure the D16Z manifold (model #M21-331) from Venom is equipped with direct port. My friend sitting next to me says the fuel rail (model #F21-127) should come with it.

Apparently Venom makes forged pistons as well. All of this is on their website http://www.venom-performance.com. Hit the catalog link at the top.


Modified by Slipjack at 5:40 PM 1/18/2005

Slopoke

Just buy a direct port kit from NOS or NX and plumb it into your stock d16 manifold.
You dont have to buy a new intake manifold.

harwood39

also, get the head ringed, this involve cutting a very fine grove in the surface of the head. this alows the head gasket to get compressed into the grove in the head and helps it from blowing the head gasket.

maxheat

Blow it up

Sour Diesel

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My thoughts exactly.

accordcrazie

probably gonna blow

murmur9

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You dont need to use hondata w/ nitrous control. A good ignition system is a good idea though.

You also do not need bigger injectors.
A dry nitrous kit only injects nitrous into the motor and requires the injectors to provide the extra fuel needed. Shooting a 150shot on a basic dry kit is just plain stupid.
A wet kit injects both nitrous and fuel into the motor, so there is no need for bigger injectors.

For a shot that big, I would suggest a direct port kit(which is a wet kit) from NOS or Nitrous express.
A progressive controller could also be usefull to help with traction issues.

Also, some companies make pistons specifically for nitrous applications. You might want to look into something like that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Beat me too it!!! I don't know what in the **** this guy is talking about...runing bigger injectors and hondata....maybe do that if you have a dry kit. Wet kit comes with a like you use to tap into your fuel...it produces the extra fuel needed for the nos rather than depending on the injectors and fuel pump to push out the extra it would need like on a dry set. Wet us usually safe for stock.

murmur9

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Man...don't start telling people whats required to run NOS if you don't even know the diff. from a wet and dry setup. WHY? WHY WOULD YOU STILL WANT ALL THAT FUEL MANAGEMENT on a WET NO2 set?? It is ALREADY providing it with probably more than enough fuel (AKA running rich) ...so why would you need better fuel management???? Your thinking of 1. either you thought all NO2 sets were like a dry set ...and you didnt know that they even made one that was called wet and provided the extra fuel. 2. your just thinking of a turbo setup and your cramming more air into your IM and need that fmu to give it enough fuel to keep a good a/f ratio

Slipjack

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Here, read this: http://members.aol.com/agspeed/E36NOS.htm

Read the third and fourth paragraphs. N2O is made up of two nitrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule, it's the oxygen that provides the boost. Since N20 alone isn't as dangerous as you guys make it sound, all that matters is that a nitrous system is installed properly to keep it from blowing the engine.

Sounds like this guy has done some NOS setups before; if that's so, I doubt it'll blow.

And the best, and safest way to install nitrous is with a intake manifold with a direct port.