Notices
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000) EG/EH/EJ/EK/EM1 Discussion

93 VX won't start

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-13-2016, 10:53 AM
  #1  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default 93 VX won't start


New plugs, cleaned the cap, wires are newish, rotor looks good, air filter is newish, fuel filter new... At a loss...
Old 05-13-2016, 10:57 AM
  #2  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Check whether fuel pump primes and for spark at the plugs.

Does the CEL turn on with key in ON(II)?

What cluster lights turn off when key is held in START?
Old 05-13-2016, 10:59 AM
  #3  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Cracked the bolt on the fuel filter on the outlet side and there was fuel so I guess that spark is the issue...
Old 05-13-2016, 11:01 AM
  #4  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Originally Posted by H23_del_soul
so I guess that spark is the issue...
Why guess?

CEL codes?
Old 05-13-2016, 11:04 AM
  #5  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Originally Posted by RonJ
Check whether fuel pump primes and for spark at the plugs.

Does the CEL turn on with key in ON(II)?

What cluster lights turn off when key is held in START?
No check engine light, and all the lights go off except for the battery light. Should I be able to hear the fuel pump prime like I do on newer vehicles? When I turn the key from the office edition to the on position there is no sound At all.
Old 05-13-2016, 11:05 AM
  #6  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Originally Posted by RonJ
Why guess?

CEL codes?
Because I didn't think anybody would be answering so fast and I'm discouraged. Thank you very much for helping me, This really has me thrown off.
Old 05-13-2016, 11:11 AM
  #7  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

You should the fuel pump buzz for 2 seconds when you turn key from OFF to ON(II). Listen carefully.

Are you saying the CEL never turns on? If so, somebody may have removed the bulb in the cluster. Check that.
Old 05-13-2016, 11:18 AM
  #8  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

The check engine light does come on, but only when I first turn the key on. It just comes on to show that the bulb is working but not that there's anything wrong. No flashing or anything like that. There's no hum at all so I'm assuming that the fuel pump is to blame? Is that a drop the tank replacement, or is there an access panel under the rear seats to get to it? Is there a preferred time to go with, or should I just go with the one from AutoZone for $120 with a lifetime warranty?

Last edited by H23_del_soul; 05-31-2016 at 05:26 PM.
Old 05-13-2016, 11:21 AM
  #9  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Turn key from OFF to ON(II).

Does CEL remain on steady or does it turn off after 2 seconds?

Are you sure now that the fuel pump does not prime?
Old 05-13-2016, 11:37 AM
  #10  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

I don't hear a peep from the fuel pump, and less it's super super quiet. I know what it supposed to sound like a newer cars but I haven't heard it in this one really but then again I've only owned it for a few days and only started it a few times.
Old 05-13-2016, 11:37 AM
  #11  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

As far as the check engine light, it goes off after two seconds.
Old 05-13-2016, 11:41 AM
  #12  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

If you need to verify, remove your gas cap and put your ear to the hole. Then have a buddy turn key to ON(II). You should easily hear the buzz of the fuel pump priming for 2 seconds.

If you are sure the pump is not priming, remove rear seat and cover for fuel pump.

Use a multimeter to check whether the unplugged pump connector gets voltage and has good ground.
Old 05-13-2016, 11:45 AM
  #13  
fcm
Old Fart
 
fcm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: kelowna, bc, canada
Posts: 26,173
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

I do not see the tack move, you need to check the ICM, [igniter] this assumes the engine is turning over, [starter motor working], I can't hear it on the vid. 94
Old 05-13-2016, 12:20 PM
  #14  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Originally Posted by fcm
I do not see the tack move, you need to check the ICM, [igniter] this assumes the engine is turning over, [starter motor working], I can't hear it on the vid. 94
The motor is turning over. I had this issue yesterday and my wife was cranking it while I was under the hood and I removed the oil cap and I could see the valves moving.
Old 05-13-2016, 02:41 PM
  #15  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

No sound from the fuel hole when starting. Was able to get someone to crank it for me.
Old 05-13-2016, 02:44 PM
  #16  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Originally Posted by RonJ
If you are sure the pump is not priming, remove rear seat and cover for fuel pump.

Use a multimeter to check whether the unplugged pump connector gets voltage and has good ground.
Take the next steps.
Old 05-13-2016, 05:48 PM
  #17  
Stancetard Hate Monger
iTrader: (1)
 
eghatch9295's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: cleveland, oh, usa
Posts: 3,633
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

homeskillet just washed his engine bay. my money is on cooked distributor.
Old 05-13-2016, 05:54 PM
  #18  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
H23_del_soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Roanoke VA.
Posts: 1,720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Originally Posted by eghatch9295
homeskillet just washed his engine bay. my money is on cooked distributor.
Yes, but I covered the dizzy with a plastic bag like I have since I first started washing engine bays 25 years ago. No water got on or in it and when I disassembled it everything was clean and dry.
Old 05-13-2016, 06:04 PM
  #19  
Stancetard Hate Monger
iTrader: (1)
 
eghatch9295's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: cleveland, oh, usa
Posts: 3,633
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

in that case, keep diagnosing the fuel (main relay) issue
Old 05-13-2016, 06:56 PM
  #20  
Sol to Sol
 
JarvisW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas, Tx, US
Posts: 1,079
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Yeah, make sure its not working. Like Ron said. take seat out and check for power before moving on. (While seat is out its also louder, so you might hear it then, tho I'm sure you are right on no sound.)

And like EG said, if its not getting power, then you need a new main relay or resolder it. They we'rnt made very well, and the solders were cold often. I had to do dads once, so I did mine ahead of time.. Tho. I think we got pump power iirc, just not dizzy.. (BUT, checking for power AT THE PUMP FIRST, will tell you more!)
Old 05-13-2016, 07:33 PM
  #21  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Former User's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 45,219
Likes: 0
Received 44 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Originally Posted by RonJ
If you need to verify, remove your gas cap and put your ear to the hole. Then have a buddy turn key to ON(II). You should easily hear the buzz of the fuel pump priming for 2 seconds.
Originally Posted by H23_del_soul
No sound from the fuel hole when starting. Was able to get someone to crank it for me.
You did this^ test with key in ON(III). What happens in ON(II)?
Old 05-13-2016, 08:34 PM
  #22  
Honda-Tech Member
 
StokelesS_g2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Mountains of Laos, NC
Posts: 505
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Engine washing? Water down in the plugs?

Try pulling a plug out, put it back into the wire, touch it to the motor (ground) and have someone crank your car to see if your getting spark.
Old 05-13-2016, 09:51 PM
  #23  
Sol to Sol
 
JarvisW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas, Tx, US
Posts: 1,079
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

DO NOT TOUCH IT TO THE MOTOR TO SEE IF YOU HAVE SPARK!

It can fry the Igniter. You can check it with a spark tester you can rent tho (or buy cheap at HF)

Ron has the guidance he needs to follow for now.
Old 05-13-2016, 09:58 PM
  #24  
Honda-Tech Member
 
StokelesS_g2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Mountains of Laos, NC
Posts: 505
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

Originally Posted by JarvisW
DO NOT TOUCH IT TO THE MOTOR TO SEE IF YOU HAVE SPARK!

It can fry the Igniter. You can check it with a spark tester you can rent tho (or buy cheap at HF)

Ron has the guidance he needs to follow for now.
Ok, Yeah, follow Ron.
I wonder who wrote this. https://honda-tech.com/honda-civic-d...blems-2919450/
Old 05-13-2016, 10:15 PM
  #25  
Sol to Sol
 
JarvisW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas, Tx, US
Posts: 1,079
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Re: 93 VX won't start

I'm pretty sure he's recently said the same as I, but he can speak for himself.

I was also referring to the FUEL PUMP status, not the spark one.

Don't confuse the OP, he's on track with Ron, in otherwords.


Quick Reply: 93 VX won't start



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:48 AM.