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Old 05-13-2012, 10:07 PM
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Photo is not good enough

turn it over one more revolution until the up symbol is pointing up on the camgear, and the two marks are lined up with the top of the cylinder head where the valve cover meets it.

then look down and report back where the crank is in corrlation to the mark on the plastics.
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That picture is with the camgear in the UP positions
Old 05-14-2012, 10:18 AM
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alright obviously I'm a n00b, but from what I've gathered, if my cam gear is at TDC and the marking on my crank pulley and timing cover are not lining up like in the picture, then my mechanical timing is off and that could be the cause of my NO START!?!?

If that is true then I need to take off my crank pulley so I can remove the lower timing cover and get to the adjusting bolt, loosen the timing belt, get everything to line up and re-tighten? never done a timing belt before but that is what I have gathered from researching.

So if this is what I need to do.... then I just need to order a Harmonic Damper Pulley Holder? anything else I need? I have an impact wrench.
Thanks for your help.
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http://www.samicspecialtools.com/hon...pulley-holder/

like this?
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Default Re: 92 Civic Won't start - has spark and fuel pump primes

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The above looks good, i have this one http://compare.ebay.com/like/3706070...Types&var=sbar
its a little more versatile since you can position your breaker bar in 4 different positions. In case you are having clearance issues under the car.

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Old 05-15-2012, 07:36 AM
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Ive never needed that tool although it prolly makes life great.

Ron has done alot of the work by providing you with a exerpt form the factory service manual that explains much of the job. Im not much of a single cam guy but.

I would not remove pulley or plastic, I would simply loosen the tensioner, slip the belt off the cam gear, slowly carefully turn the crank in proper direction and line up the white single mark(TDC) not the three timing marks(RED) from the crank pulley with the line mark on the plastic.
Then I would pull the side with the tensioner to take the slack of the loose tensioner (this is where that tool would be golden as when doing this you can turn the crank over) and slide the belt over the properly positioned cam gear.

you would need to then look into how to set proper tension of the T-belt for your application. How far off in inchs is the white line of pulley from the mark on the plastic?
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Default Re: 92 Civic Won't start - has spark and fuel pump primes

I'm having the same problem, but my cranks sound weird, before reading this I was thinking it was my mechanical timing. But also my spark is orange so I might need to check my ignition components as well. Thanks to the op and replies to help me as well.
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Originally Posted by ef4real
The above looks good, i have this one http://compare.ebay.com/like/3706070...Types&var=sbar
its a little more versatile since you can position your breaker bar in 4 different positions. In case you are having clearance issues under the car.
Yeah I ended up ordering a very similar one to yours off amazon, gonna take a week to get to me though

Beecee, from my understanding I have to remove the pulley and the plastic to get to the tensioner because the plastic covers it?

Also I'm having trouble seeing the white line on the pulley.
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Yeah I ended up ordering a very similar one to yours off amazon, gonna take a week to get to me though

Beecee, from my understanding I have to remove the pulley and the plastic to get to the tensioner because the plastic covers it?

Also I'm having trouble seeing the white line on the pulley.
The white has worn off but it will be one small hash mark roughly 16 degrees (an inch or so) from the 3 close together hash marks that should be red.

There should be a removeable plastic plug within the lower plastic to acess the tensioner.
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Once a timing belt has skipped some teeth, you really should replace it.
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disconnect a hose from the intake manifold (pcv) to let air into it and see if it starts, maybe iacv, i had the same problem. Hold the throttle plate open a little to let some air in, works also
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Once a timing belt has skipped some teeth, you really should replace it.
I was just about to post that ron,
after looking at the condition of the belt, frayed and wear at the leading edge of each tooth.

This should be done, and in that case you would be removing the crank pulley and and the plastics prior to re-installation
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All I can make out on the pulley is this red hash
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That's not a stock crank pulley. What engine do you have? The crank pulley hex tool won't work on that crank pulley. If your car has the stock engine, I'd recommend you to replace that crank pulley.
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well shoot, what will i need to get it off. its a d15b7
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well shoot, what will i need to get it off. its a d15b7
There are less favorable alternatives - for example using a strong impact gun or filling one cylinder with nylon rope.
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this is probably i stupid question but i don't understand. If i stick an impact wrench on there to take it off... isn't it going to just turn the engine over?
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If i stick an impact wrench on there to take it off... isn't it going to just turn the engine over?
No. That's the beauty of a good impact wrench.
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this is probably i stupid question but i don't understand. If i stick an impact wrench on there to take it off... isn't it going to just turn the engine over?
No sir,
The gun reacts quicker then the possible weight, rotating mass of your rotating assy.So first off you will set the crank to TDC. Get the required space for Gun plus 19mm impact socket and make sure compressor is fully purged and topped of with at least 120-130 psi, and blast away, just be nice once it comes loose, not to spin it off to fast and have the bolt go flying.
remove pulley and remove special small woodruf key if your application has this, some times the key is integrated into the lower T-belt gear behind the pulley.
Reinstall the belt and use the mark on the T-belt gear now as your indicator for TDC (cause now the pulley wont be there)
Once belt is set reinstall everything,
The only thing I think I'm leaving out is the rotating sequence of gaining the tension on the belt before tightening the tensioner.
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All I can make out on the pulley is this red hash
No brotha,
the marks are going to be fine scribe marks at the outer edges of the pulley facing closest to us while looking at that photo
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Default Re: 92 Civic Won't start - has spark and fuel pump primes

You can also use a chain wrench. Unfortunately, that is a stock crank pulley. It was utilized on the d series ef motors. I have dealt with a few of them and had to use the chain wrench to remove.

Another trick to boost your compression when an engine has not started for a while is to pour a cap full (approx 1 tsp) of motor oil down the cylinder. The oil coats the walls and helps the rings create better compression. Just don't pour too much, a little bit goes a long ways.
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And it often helps to soak the crank bolt in PB Blaster (or equivalent) overnight prior to attempting removal.
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
There are less favorable alternatives - for example using a strong impact gun or filling one cylinder with nylon rope.
Never heard of the nylon rope trick RAD!
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