111111 miles on d16y8 motor, can I still turbo it?
12-03-2007, 01:51 AM
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111111 miles on d16y8 motor, can I still turbo it?
thinking of getting a turbo for my car, but im not sure the mileages on the motor affect my choices. thinking of getting either greddy or edelbrock, which is best for money?
12-03-2007, 01:59 AM
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Re: 111111 miles on d16y8 motor, can I still turbo it? (ShinotakuX)
miles has nothing to do with it. do a compression test. you can get greddy kit for cheap, but dont cheap out on a turbo kit.
12-03-2007, 02:20 PM
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wow, is it reliable to put a turbo on a fairly high mileage honda? I mean i dont think 111111 mileage is not high for a honda 96 ex coupe right? also, i know that the max psi i can put is around 7-8 with stock internals of the engine, I was gonna put only 5-6 psi just to be safe, what are ur guidance for me?
12-03-2007, 02:30 PM
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Re: (ShinotakuX)
I'm running 10.5 right now and it holds its own. My new OEM clutch slips so, if you DO turbo it, be sure to get a new clutch. AND NOT and OEM one like I did. Stock internals will hold fine up to about 11 psi. Only reason I'm running 10.5 is because I'm working on getting a new block anyhow, so when this one goes I'll just install a built block and up the boost.
12-03-2007, 02:41 PM
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Re: (ericschimmel)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ericschimmel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stock internals will hold fine up to about 11 psi. Only reason I'm running 10.5 is because I'm working on getting a new block anyhow, so when this one goes I'll just install a built block and up the boost.</TD></TR></TABLE>
this is terrible advice. idk what you're thinking. 11 psi on what turbo? 14b or 35r? come on now. each turbo has different cfm's, so you can never say "oh this motor can only boost like 6 or 7 lbs". d16's can make up to i believe 200whp safely, so you'll be fine with a 15g or any simple t3/t4 50 trim turbo.
you'll also probably be at idk maybe 9 or 10 lbs on the 15g to make 200whp, depending on your actual setup.
come back with more questions
this is terrible advice. idk what you're thinking. 11 psi on what turbo? 14b or 35r? come on now. each turbo has different cfm's, so you can never say "oh this motor can only boost like 6 or 7 lbs". d16's can make up to i believe 200whp safely, so you'll be fine with a 15g or any simple t3/t4 50 trim turbo.
you'll also probably be at idk maybe 9 or 10 lbs on the 15g to make 200whp, depending on your actual setup.
come back with more questions
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Re: (Maireeka)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Maireeka »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is compression the only thing that must be looked at to decide about boost?</TD></TR></TABLE>
compression, and leak down tests just to determine if your motor is healthy. also, think about your situations. is this your daily driver? if so, you might not want to turbo it because if something breaks etc etc. install can take a long time if you don't know what you're doing / buying. what is the plan for your car? straight line / road race? etc etc. just logical stuff i guess.
what kind of motor do you have?
compression, and leak down tests just to determine if your motor is healthy. also, think about your situations. is this your daily driver? if so, you might not want to turbo it because if something breaks etc etc. install can take a long time if you don't know what you're doing / buying. what is the plan for your car? straight line / road race? etc etc. just logical stuff i guess.
what kind of motor do you have?
12-03-2007, 03:45 PM
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Re: (gsr x civic)
i've got a 170k y8 with great compression. don't have a leakdown tester or a beater atm, i was just curious because it sounds like you know what you're talking about.
leakdown testers are expensive.
leakdown testers are expensive.
12-03-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: (Maireeka)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Maireeka »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've got a 170k y8 with great compression. don't have a leakdown tester or a beater atm, i was just curious because it sounds like you know what you're talking about.
leakdown testers are expensive.</TD></TR></TABLE>
when was the last time you did your timing belt / water pump? how often do you do your necessary maintenance?
if you do decide to go turbo, properly research it and know what you're going to get and get it. back in the day i fucked up and pieced together a shitty "kit" with nothing that matched. so of course i learned the hard way. my car was down for almost a month because i had no money for parts til my paychecks and all that bullshit. so trust me when i say this: don't cheao out on a turbo kit. make sure you know what you're getting, or if you're unsure, by a complete kit. that way you're sure you're getting everything needed.
leakdown testers are expensive.</TD></TR></TABLE>
when was the last time you did your timing belt / water pump? how often do you do your necessary maintenance?
if you do decide to go turbo, properly research it and know what you're going to get and get it. back in the day i fucked up and pieced together a shitty "kit" with nothing that matched. so of course i learned the hard way. my car was down for almost a month because i had no money for parts til my paychecks and all that bullshit. so trust me when i say this: don't cheao out on a turbo kit. make sure you know what you're getting, or if you're unsure, by a complete kit. that way you're sure you're getting everything needed.
12-03-2007, 04:01 PM
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Also might be good to invest in new oil pump. Turbo gets thristy. Since you're in CA, might want to get a kit that's carb legal. Go edelbrock$$. Arp head studs would be a good upgrade if you plan to push past the 200whp mark. d16 stock can handle ~220 with rods being the first to go. Do ur homework, check FI forum or http://www.turbod16.com
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keep in mind he said daily driver. i don't think he wants to limit his hp rating with the possibility of things breaking. even with headstuds, i wouldn't want to go past 200. 180-190 whp would suffice.
since kits normally don't come with a fuel pump, you'll need that as well. and of course engine management if you don't get the greddy kit that comes with the blue box. and even so, the blue box is still shitty.
since kits normally don't come with a fuel pump, you'll need that as well. and of course engine management if you don't get the greddy kit that comes with the blue box. and even so, the blue box is still shitty.
12-03-2007, 06:00 PM
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When you go for management, the easiest way to go is with a chipped ecu. Unless you have $700- $1000 laying around for a stand alone unit. And as far as me giving terrible advice, look anywhere on the forums and you'll see everyone says that 10- 11 psi is all it'll hold.
12-03-2007, 06:13 PM
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Re: (ek forever guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Worst case scenario you blow up a $200 longblock.
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ding ding ding. we have a winner. read on turbod16.com tuning is the most important. id run 200 all day on a good tune.
</TD></TR></TABLE> ding ding ding. we have a winner. read on turbod16.com tuning is the most important. id run 200 all day on a good tune.
12-03-2007, 06:41 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ericschimmel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> And as far as me giving terrible advice, look anywhere on the forums and you'll see everyone says that 10- 11 psi is all it'll hold.</TD></TR></TABLE>
everyone is wrong. 10-11 psi on what turbo? my point is being that all turbos are different sizes u can't make a general statement about psi in correlation to engine limits.
everyone is wrong. 10-11 psi on what turbo? my point is being that all turbos are different sizes u can't make a general statement about psi in correlation to engine limits.
12-03-2007, 08:49 PM
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Re: (gsr x civic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gsr x civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">keep in mind he said daily driver.
since kits normally don't come with a fuel pump, you'll need that as well. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Where did he say its a daily driver? I think that was your assumption. And if you're suggesting he say within 180-190, why would you need a new fuel pump. I'm running fine with stock pump.
But you are right that how much a motor can handle is measured by hp, not psi. You can run 11psi on a gt35r and blow it up but be ok with a greddy 15g.
Just run the edelbock kit and call it a day. d16s are cheap.
since kits normally don't come with a fuel pump, you'll need that as well. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Where did he say its a daily driver? I think that was your assumption. And if you're suggesting he say within 180-190, why would you need a new fuel pump. I'm running fine with stock pump.
But you are right that how much a motor can handle is measured by hp, not psi. You can run 11psi on a gt35r and blow it up but be ok with a greddy 15g.
Just run the edelbock kit and call it a day. d16s are cheap.
12-04-2007, 09:28 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekhatchling »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Where did he say its a daily driver? </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Maireeka »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't have a leakdown tester or a beater atm,</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pat_S »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gsr x civic is on a roll.
To the OP, read his posts... It was exactly what I was going to say.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thank you sir
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekhatchling »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And if you're suggesting he say within 180-190, why would you need a new fuel pump. I'm running fine with stock pump.
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well its just a safety measure, so that the stock pump isn't running at a really high duty cycle. and plus his pump is probably really old, and it's better to have it then not need it then to need it and not have it =]
i like to take precautionary steps even though it's not necessary. better to be safe than sorry.
Where did he say its a daily driver? </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Maireeka »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't have a leakdown tester or a beater atm,</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pat_S »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gsr x civic is on a roll.
To the OP, read his posts... It was exactly what I was going to say.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thank you sir
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekhatchling »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And if you're suggesting he say within 180-190, why would you need a new fuel pump. I'm running fine with stock pump.
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well its just a safety measure, so that the stock pump isn't running at a really high duty cycle. and plus his pump is probably really old, and it's better to have it then not need it then to need it and not have it =]
i like to take precautionary steps even though it's not necessary. better to be safe than sorry.
12-04-2007, 11:32 AM
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Re: (ek forever guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, did someone really ask why he should upgrade his fuel pump if he's turboing?
What's the world coming to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What's the world coming to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: 111111 miles on d16y8 motor, can I still turbo it? (ShinotakuX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ShinotakuX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thinking of getting a turbo for my car, but im not sure the mileages on the motor affect my choices. thinking of getting either greddy or edelbrock, which is best for money?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do yourself a favor and steer clear of any Greddy product. I have found that everything Greddy ever produced is complete crap and have paid good money to "phase out" all of the Greddy parts from my setup: Profec boost controller (fails\spikes), Turbo timer (works only half of the time), and a long time ago my emanage (no explanation necessary.)
Do yourself a favor and steer clear of any Greddy product. I have found that everything Greddy ever produced is complete crap and have paid good money to "phase out" all of the Greddy parts from my setup: Profec boost controller (fails\spikes), Turbo timer (works only half of the time), and a long time ago my emanage (no explanation necessary.)