xerox445

Ok, after making a decision to not get a VW GTI 1.8T and have a load of payments, im going to buy a 5G hatch and do some kind of swap, what are my options with the money i have available? Thanx in advance

=GAME=

various options. get a hold of a hatch and then come back and tell us how much you have to play with after the car. hatch these days range anywhere from a few hundred and up.

dunkd

turbo type-r

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and have the motor sitting in the garage until you save up some more to buy a car

xerox445

lol, omg, seriously that was less then a min, for 2 posts, lol hehehe, i like my new honda home. well ill probly spend round 3000 for the car, so i got like 3000 plus ill can save up some cash, i dont have to swap the day i buy it, i can drive it stock for a few months if i have 2

Pho Real

And pay off the credit car debt

EGtoDC2

you should check out my project EG..OH..YOU WORK AT XEROX! are you a tech or SALESMAN&lt;--you suck...
Anyway, watch autotrader and any Ad market for a clean EG ($2000 most, watch ebay, that's where i got mine , but "BUYER BEWARE", i got lucky, i bought my EG with an LS integera engine (just like GSR but nonvtec).
Anyway, if you want to stick with $6000, get the EG and a FULL Integra TYPE R swap from http://www.importautosalvage.com or http://www.hmotorsonline.com or http://www.JDMshit.com
A FULL SWAP will have EVERYTHING INTEGRA TYPE R. this is important if you don't want to upgrade everything later (like rear disc brakes, cuz the stock rear drums on stock EG (except Si) might as well not exist..
Full swap:engine with ECU (type R upgraded), intake manifold (type R upgraded),
ITR throttle body (type R upgraded),exhaust manifold (type R upgraded), ITR Tranny, ITR Helical Limited Slip Differential, motor mounts (they will give you the correct motor mounts needed if you tell them what you're putting it in), shift linkage, etc.etc.etc.etc.
See all the "(Type R upgraded)" parts, these are all great reasons to get an ITR swap..becuz you'll end up upgrading to "ITR style" products before too long, anyway (best Intake Manifold on market, Skunk2 is almost exact copy of ITR manifold).
Anyway, for $6000 (plus change, maybe an additional $500 for exhaust and intake, cuz these usually aren't included, but check, importautosalvage is pretty complete, but ITR intake and exhaust would be first thing to upgrade anyway, ya see? cuz these are the limiting factors on all FACTORY CARS (to meet emissions and insurance and stuff, they restrict air flow, anyway, this is why the first all people upgrade, speedwise.)...for $6000, you'd be running mid 13s (ITR LIMITED SLIP RULES for 4500 rpm launch, very stable) and GETTING 35 mpg...hehe..
rice forever.
Notice that most of the stuff listed is (type R upgraded)

Check it all out: an iTR cost about $1200 more than GSR swap (plus they so blingy to actually put SiR on your car, and not be a liar)...But if you bought GSR and wanted to modify up, you'd have to buy LIMITED SLIP Differential ($400-500 for ITR lsd, $800+ for aftermarket differential) , Intake Manifold (good for a lot of horesepower, and ITR intake manifold is best designed, even Skunk2 mimics it)..blah blah blah blah..all in all the extra upgrades to a GSR would really cost you..but FOR YOUR BUDGET OF $6000, it's perfect..but check around.
Turbo LS (nonvtec integra) would be the way to go if you had $8000, but an ITR would be much easier to daily drive and MUCH MORE RELIABLE, since it's 200+ hp (flywheel) from the factory....
hope this helps, i'm loving mine, and i can't even drive it off the street until i get a license plate and registration

xerox445

i was thinking more in the lines of a h22 swap, and being smog legal is a concern of mine, cause in NJ we need to inspect every 2 years...but anyway what kind of numbers does that engine put out? is it a C5 block or C1 with type r parts? i duno, i like the h22 torque personally, but isint that a much more involved swap? all i know is i got to get my hatch soon, my 90 accord is due for inspection, and theres no way its passing (and its not due to mods, its stock, but in really bad condition)

2000blackgsr

1000-shell
3000-GSR swap
800-Koni Yellows + GC
800-Rotas and Azenis
400-Intake or header

xerox445

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30016
this was something more what im intrested in, B series is nice, but H just screems "l33t" as we say, i duno, if i got a car for 2, plus like 2500 for engine plus ship and handle, i would have like 1500 to do, HIE and then start saving for other stuff, i want the car to be nice, livable, and driveable...not 400 pound weight reduction rice racer, slamed on steelies....

EGtoDC2

Man..where do you live..i can tell you, torque won't be a problem. Some say the H22/EGs handle weird, since they are a big heavier (not much, some claim, but please check around.)
Man, get the type s H22 motor, it ownz.
But, my B18b with i/h/e has more than enough torque before turboing, so
hehe..also, you will have to buy full swap that has parts that specifically fit your application..please read around, it requires you to match pieces from a few hondas...but most jdm importers will sell the full swap kit specific to your app (with all the mixed parts included to fit EG)

D16Z6racing

GSR or ITR swap
springs/shocks
header/exhaust
brakes

NOSpeed97

Install a junkyard turbo kit on the car and use the rest of the money to get a bike.

infinatenexus

for 6K you could buy a car, and build the d series that is already in it, the cost of a swap also includes all kinds of little **** that most people neglect to tell you about. For 1500.00 you can have a D series motor that will obliterate most B series powered cars.

machinehead

d series...lol wow, sry but um...no, lol

infinatenexus

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Considering that for about 1500.00 you can have a D series with enough power to obliterate most B series powered cars, I think its a great ideal.

But hey if it takes you going thought a swap that cost 3500.00 to make any amount of Hp,, thats your problem

xerox445

Well thanx for all the help, but could some of you guys with H22's and B18C's in 5g's give me like a price range of how much they spent, and everything. Another thing that I reciently read, and saw is how low the H22 sits in the engine, I dont plan on slaming my car, but I dont think i would be conftorable with the headers sitting that low, espically with how the roads are around here...also what do most people do when its time to get inspected with a JDM motor? bring it to someone private and get "inspected"??? thanx in advance

xerox445

On H-Motors...
30016 - H22A 92-95 Complete Change Over
200Hp 161Trq 10.6 Compression (JDM)
190Hp 156Trq 10.0 Compression (USDM)
$ 2199.00 Plus shipping and handling.

30009 - B18C 94-00 (GSR) Complete Change Over
180Hp 126Trq 10.6 Compression (JDM)
170Hp 121Trq 10.1 Compression (USDM)
$ 3199.00 Plus shipping and handling.

30011 - B18C 96-00 (TypeR) Complete Change Over
200Hp 134Trq 11.1 Compression(JDM)
195Hp 130Trq 10.6 Compression (USDM)
$ 4600.00 Plus shipping and handling.

I guess these are my main options...any advice at all? the h22 is less then half the price...i mean if i spend 1500 more on extra stuff like LSD tranny, mounts, and axles, ill still be under the type R...and smog legal????? mabey?

Noe Kozz

It's really up to you. Check out the Hybrid section for a while and gather some more information. Also do a search on H22's, there's plenty of topics concerning that motor. Good luck with whatever you decide on doing, oh and get the hatch first then post pics

2camsaam

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only got $6k and no car yet.

dropped like its hot

well by what i can gather, you already know what you wanna swap (h22) so just do a lot of research and then pm me what you have learned cause im interested in the same thing

xerox445

No more help? I really need someone to give me the Pro's and cons of a C5, or a H22a, someone, anyone?

Professor15

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xerox445 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No more help? I really need someone to give me the Pro's and cons of a C5, or a H22a, someone, anyone?</TD></TR></TABLE> search there are many threads abput that i would personally pick the type r, better tranny, lighter, better fuel delivery.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by infinatenexus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for 6K you could buy a car, and build the d series that is already in it, the cost of a swap also includes all kinds of little **** that most people neglect to tell you about. For 1500.00 you can have a D series motor that will obliterate most B series powered cars.</TD></TR></TABLE> i say this is ur best bet, neva underestimate the power of a single cam,if it has turbo and its tuned correctly it can rape most b or h series, a person on h-t jus made a thread recently i think his name is singlecamscreamer, he has a D series with a couple of bolt-ons and a dry 60 shot and nitrous chip with slicks pullin 12's i say thas pretty damn good for....jus....um....wow D series lol.

machinehead

If you have the 6k in your hand now, then find a shell with a blown engine. A clean body and interior on a blown civic can be had for under a grand if you look hard enough. That leaves 5k for fun time.

Don't forget to add the cost of the mounting kit and axles for your swap.

If you want to go turbo do not get the H series simply because you have to get it resleeved to run forged internals. If you are sticking to NA, or were planning on sleeving anyways, then the H ownz

The D series is an overlooked option. If you got it fully built and ran a turbo setup, it could put up some serious #'s.

I personly think the GSR and ITR engines are overrated. They are decent if you wanna stay stock, but if you want to mod then theres more options out there with other engines.

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that wasnt my post i didnt log out at school

infinatenexus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drchulo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i say this is ur best bet, neva underestimate the power of a single cam,if it has turbo and its tuned correctly it can rape most b or h series, a person on h-t jus made a thread recently i think his name is singlecamscreamer, he has a D series with a couple of bolt-ons and a dry 60 shot and nitrous chip with slicks pullin 12's i say thas pretty damn good for....jus....um....wow D series lol.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Look up Mista Bone, he is running low 13's