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Decided to share this for all the heads out there that think PnP HID kits are how it's done, when thats really the worst solution and really no better than the stock halogen lamp (because with the HID PnP kit your still using HALOGEN LAMP!)
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Quoted from a great thread on http://www.clubcivic.com (click here for the original post)
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Quoted from a great thread on http://www.clubcivic.com (click here for the original post)
Originally Posted by EK9
Okay Guys first off what is an HID ?
HID --> high intensity discharge, what does this mean.
Basically unlike the standard halogen bulbs which uses a "filament" to output the lights, the HID does not consist withfilaments and contain compact arc tubes, which enclose various gases and metal salts, operating at relatively high pressures and temperatures.
For Example: This Image Compares the HID vs. Haolgen
What are the advantages of HIDS consists of standard
Halogen or "super white" bulbs.
<U>HIDS:</U>
Wattage (W): 35W
Lumens (Lm): 3500Lm
Life Expectancy: 3000 hours or more
Light Outpuet: 3x or greater than standard Halogens
Color Temps (K): 4100/4300 (OEM) - 12000K (eww too purplish/blue)
<U>Halogens:</U>
Wattage (W): 50 -55W
Lumens (Lm): 1000 - 1500Lm
Life Expectancy: 350 - 500
Light Output: ~
Color Temps (K): 2400 - 3000K
Q:What Kind of HID Kits can i buy for my car?
A:There are actually two different answers i can give. Lets start with answer (1), and follow with (2)
(1)You can HID Kit such as: Catz, McCulloch, Bohmen, etc. These are rebased HID Kit. which means the the bulbs are made to fit for the "halogen" housing headlights. Also getting all the necessary wires, ignitor(so you dont' screw up) and other necessary parts. Useally the wires are longer. Other thing is by putting an HID Kit into your standard housing that are ment to take 55W halogen, this can mean disaster. Honestly there is not a single kit that will make the glares and "UFO's" disappear. The thing is most people don't comprehend... b/c you are putting a bulb that is 3 times greater light output and into a housing that is not even made to handle HIDs. This is both PROJECTORS & Reflectors
This is a "rebased" hid kit for an easy installment and good fitment
This is an OEM HID Kit off Audi - Hella
OMG UFO's everywhere .. glaring .. this is a disaster for on comming traffic and person in front of you.
This also is a GREAT light SHOW
(2)You can buy a "DOT" or "ECE" projectors off BMW, Audi, S2K, Volvo or what not and retrofit them into your car.Valeo a company who makes projectors and few ballistas for Audi are one of the best choice doing a retro. Retro takes a lot of creativness and time and effort to it. It is not just a day job. This can last from anywhere to 2-7days.
Picture of a Retro Fit done on a STi. (Thank You HIDforum for the image)
OEM Capsules vs. Rebased
OEM D2S (projector housing)
Rebased for H7 i believe
Q: Can I put HID kit into my TYC/aftermarket Projectors?
A: Yes and No. The thing is the aftermarket "projectors" so called are not high quiality like the Valeo, E55, E46 or what not and the aftermarket projectors for 99% of the Civic's are for halogen only and it's off some fog lights or same materials and stuffs. Either way DO NOT ever put your HID kit in a halogen projectors. It can give off various glares off everywhere, beam pattern will be not so great and sometimes it can melt :lol:
<U>Comparison:</U>
This Integra a member of Honda-Tech used S2000 Projectors, S2000 HID Kit
Sorry for BIG images
WOW Look at the lightoutput and the "Cutoff" line that is very very very sexy ane NICE>!!
This is a 5th Gen Civic a local guy with TYC projectors and aftermarket "rebased" HID Kit
As you can see the AIMing needs to be re-doned, but the light output is not that great compared to the RETRO.
Q: Is HID illegal and also how about retrofitting?
A: Yes & No. to begin with hids were never legal. Companies like BMW, Benz, Lexus, AUdi and etc had them on because it was adapted from Europe and Asia. U.S. Officals never had a problem with it until "ricer" companies begun to bring out rebased HID Kits that was blinding people with blue/purple light and was never a perfect fitment. This now has been a reason why Government officals, NTHS or something like that has been cracking down retailers who sales HID kits. IF they are caught and convicted, they can get jail time and fines. Honestly ONLY best rebased HID kits were teh CATZ. I am going to say NO, because the OEM factory HID kit does meet "D0T" as they foresay. If U.S cracks down and tells car manufactors to do not put HID kits in their car, this will be a dramatic decrease in car indutry, and economy wise. Plus the OEM HID is levled and puts out white light instead of blue or purple. ONly the lense and the light bouncing off the "shield" and the lense is making the blue/purple look to it.
HID --> high intensity discharge, what does this mean.
Basically unlike the standard halogen bulbs which uses a "filament" to output the lights, the HID does not consist withfilaments and contain compact arc tubes, which enclose various gases and metal salts, operating at relatively high pressures and temperatures.
For Example: This Image Compares the HID vs. Haolgen
What are the advantages of HIDS consists of standard
Halogen or "super white" bulbs.
<U>HIDS:</U>
Wattage (W): 35W
Lumens (Lm): 3500Lm
Life Expectancy: 3000 hours or more
Light Outpuet: 3x or greater than standard Halogens
Color Temps (K): 4100/4300 (OEM) - 12000K (eww too purplish/blue)
<U>Halogens:</U>
Wattage (W): 50 -55W
Lumens (Lm): 1000 - 1500Lm
Life Expectancy: 350 - 500
Light Output: ~
Color Temps (K): 2400 - 3000K
Q:What Kind of HID Kits can i buy for my car?
A:There are actually two different answers i can give. Lets start with answer (1), and follow with (2)
(1)You can HID Kit such as: Catz, McCulloch, Bohmen, etc. These are rebased HID Kit. which means the the bulbs are made to fit for the "halogen" housing headlights. Also getting all the necessary wires, ignitor(so you dont' screw up) and other necessary parts. Useally the wires are longer. Other thing is by putting an HID Kit into your standard housing that are ment to take 55W halogen, this can mean disaster. Honestly there is not a single kit that will make the glares and "UFO's" disappear. The thing is most people don't comprehend... b/c you are putting a bulb that is 3 times greater light output and into a housing that is not even made to handle HIDs. This is both PROJECTORS & Reflectors
This is a "rebased" hid kit for an easy installment and good fitment
This is an OEM HID Kit off Audi - Hella
OMG UFO's everywhere .. glaring .. this is a disaster for on comming traffic and person in front of you.
This also is a GREAT light SHOW
(2)You can buy a "DOT" or "ECE" projectors off BMW, Audi, S2K, Volvo or what not and retrofit them into your car.Valeo a company who makes projectors and few ballistas for Audi are one of the best choice doing a retro. Retro takes a lot of creativness and time and effort to it. It is not just a day job. This can last from anywhere to 2-7days.
Picture of a Retro Fit done on a STi. (Thank You HIDforum for the image)
OEM Capsules vs. Rebased
OEM D2S (projector housing)
Rebased for H7 i believe
Q: Can I put HID kit into my TYC/aftermarket Projectors?
A: Yes and No. The thing is the aftermarket "projectors" so called are not high quiality like the Valeo, E55, E46 or what not and the aftermarket projectors for 99% of the Civic's are for halogen only and it's off some fog lights or same materials and stuffs. Either way DO NOT ever put your HID kit in a halogen projectors. It can give off various glares off everywhere, beam pattern will be not so great and sometimes it can melt :lol:
<U>Comparison:</U>
This Integra a member of Honda-Tech used S2000 Projectors, S2000 HID Kit
Sorry for BIG images
WOW Look at the lightoutput and the "Cutoff" line that is very very very sexy ane NICE>!!
This is a 5th Gen Civic a local guy with TYC projectors and aftermarket "rebased" HID Kit
As you can see the AIMing needs to be re-doned, but the light output is not that great compared to the RETRO.
Q: Is HID illegal and also how about retrofitting?
A: Yes & No. to begin with hids were never legal. Companies like BMW, Benz, Lexus, AUdi and etc had them on because it was adapted from Europe and Asia. U.S. Officals never had a problem with it until "ricer" companies begun to bring out rebased HID Kits that was blinding people with blue/purple light and was never a perfect fitment. This now has been a reason why Government officals, NTHS or something like that has been cracking down retailers who sales HID kits. IF they are caught and convicted, they can get jail time and fines. Honestly ONLY best rebased HID kits were teh CATZ. I am going to say NO, because the OEM factory HID kit does meet "D0T" as they foresay. If U.S cracks down and tells car manufactors to do not put HID kits in their car, this will be a dramatic decrease in car indutry, and economy wise. Plus the OEM HID is levled and puts out white light instead of blue or purple. ONly the lense and the light bouncing off the "shield" and the lense is making the blue/purple look to it.
06-24-2006, 09:41 AM
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Re: / / / / Learn about HID setup RIGHT HERE! / / / / (SeanJohn1802)
Great thread. Why did you choose to post it here though? Seems like other cars can benefit from this thread as well.
06-24-2006, 10:19 AM
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Re: / / / / Learn about HID setup RIGHT HERE! / / / / (SeanJohn1802)
Good Thread, should be placed in other sections aswell
Have to stop people installing crappy kits!
Have to stop people installing crappy kits!
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Re: / / / / Learn about HID setup RIGHT HERE! / / / / (SuperSlow)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SuperSlow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why did you choose to post it here though? </TD></TR></TABLE>
well this is the only section i come to other than appearence/cosmetics
and i'm sick of people that dont know jack **** and wont research they're **** and think that putting in a sorry *** PnP HID kit is the equivilent to have REAL d2s bulbs/HID projector
just my .02¢ in trying to help educate the uneducated about High Intensity Discharge lights
well this is the only section i come to other than appearence/cosmetics
and i'm sick of people that dont know jack **** and wont research they're **** and think that putting in a sorry *** PnP HID kit is the equivilent to have REAL d2s bulbs/HID projector
just my .02¢ in trying to help educate the uneducated about High Intensity Discharge lights
06-24-2006, 12:58 PM
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Re: / / / / Learn about HID setup RIGHT HERE! / / / / (spoonlongblock)
Pretty much all Lexus projectors are big in size. The TSX fit perfectlly. There is really not much space from top to bottom for the 06' Civic.
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There are two nice write-ups i found on 2 different websites and one has videos showing the different mods u can add to your car...1 is retrofitin a sciontc headlight and the 2nd one is a CRX
1: Scion: http://www.scionlife.com/forum...75144
1: CRX: http://www.geocities.com/JVXdr...o.htm
I might buy an extra pair of halogen housing and tsx or s2000 projectors and do the retrofit witht he mirror mod on my civic
1: Scion: http://www.scionlife.com/forum...75144
1: CRX: http://www.geocities.com/JVXdr...o.htm
I might buy an extra pair of halogen housing and tsx or s2000 projectors and do the retrofit witht he mirror mod on my civic
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Re: / / / / Learn about HID setup RIGHT HERE! / / / / (SeanJohn1802)
Have u seen the kaixen hid kits in an 06 si? There's a post on fgcoupe.com where u guy showed pics of the kit installed and showing the cutoff and it looks pretty damn good for not having a projector. There's a lil bit of stray light but it's barely visible up close, there's no way it would be visible to anyone during normal driving conditions. And for $310 it's cheaper then a retro and of course it's not as good but it's alot easier and u can always remove them. Here's the link, the pics are a lil down on page 4:
http://www.fgcoupe.com/forum/s...age=4
http://www.fgcoupe.com/forum/s...age=4
07-23-2006, 11:00 PM
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This is not impressive at all. At that distance, my $0.99 flashlight has a better cutoff..... 
08-22-2006, 10:10 PM
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Re: / / / / Learn about HID setup RIGHT HERE! / / / / (SeanJohn1802)
just baught ALL my HID retro gear for my first attempt at a retro in my 5g civic. so excited.
TSX Projectors
TL bulbs/ballasts/ignitors
TSX Projectors
TL bulbs/ballasts/ignitors
08-22-2006, 10:24 PM
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taken from user turbothisLS (i baught em off of him)
only thing i can complain about is they are D2R bulbs...ill notch the base to make em fit, so no biggie.
only thing i can complain about is they are D2R bulbs...ill notch the base to make em fit, so no biggie.
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i saw u mentioned the blue and purple hid colors...i was thinking about yellow for my hab red si would i know its not as bright but would it look decent with projector retrofit?
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