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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 10:00 AM
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Since the 4th gen Accord is an LEV, and when I had my last inspection, my emissions numbers were way below max, my question is, will I still pass NYS inspection with a test pipe?
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 11:51 AM
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Since the 4th gen Accord is an LEV, and when I had my last inspection, my emissions numbers were way below max, my question is, will I still pass NYS inspection with a test pipe?
how is 4th gen LEV!?!?!?!?! that makes no sense

and a test pipe has no catalyst material, it really depends how you tune the fuel curve b4 you head to the *** sniffer, err emissions place
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 11:55 AM
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I read somewhere that the 4th gen is an LEV. The 6th is an ULEV. And isnt the 7th gen going ot be a SULEV? Why doesnt this makes sense? How do I go about tuning my fuel curve?
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 03:31 PM
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You read wrong. An OBD1 LEV? lol.

Where the hell are you going to get an inspection? Ive never heard of emmissions testing in NY. As far as I know there is none. Ive never had an emmissions test. The guy I go to for an inspection sticker just gives me one when i'm due, he doesnt even look at my car. But aside from that, at Honda we dont do emmissions testing.
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 03:35 PM
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But aside from that, at Honda we dont do emmissions testing.
Exactly! There certainly is emissions testing in NYS!!! I am very surprised you dont know about this.
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 03:40 PM
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Once again.....

Where the hell are you going to get an inspection? Ive never heard of emmissions testing in NY. At Honda we dont do emmissions testing.
Is this only in NYC?
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 03:47 PM
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State

Im looking for some info now. Give me some time....
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 03:58 PM
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Here it is...Sorry, its REALLY LONG
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/regs/217.htm#217-1!3

§217-1.3 Motor vehicle exhaust and emission standards and inspection procedure.

(a) In accordance with the applicability set forth in section 217-1.2 of this Subpart, no person who owns, operates, or leases a non-electric or non-diesel powered motor vehicle subject to the requirements of this section shall operate said vehicle, or allow or permit it to be operated, in such a manner that:

(1) it emits carbon monoxide (CO), oxides of nitrogen (NOx), or hydrocarbons (HC) in the exhaust in excess of standards specified in tables 1a and 1b;

(2) for gasoline powered motor vehicles only, the gas cap fails to meet the minimum standard contained in table 2 of this Subpart;

(3) for model year 1996 and newer motor vehicles, the on-board diagnostic system fails to identify an emission related malfunction or fails to function as designed; and

(4) the combined carbon monoxide (CO) and carbon dioxide (CO2) emission from the vehicle tailpipe is less than 6.0 percent.

(b) In accordance with the applicability set forth in section 217-1.2 of this Subpart, any person who owns, operates, or leases a non-electric or non-diesel powered motor vehicle subject to the requirements of this section shall have adjustments, repairs, or replacements made to said vehicle to ensure that the requirements of subdivision (a) of this section are met unless an emission inspection waiver is issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles pursuant to Section 79.25 of 15 NYCRR Part 79.

(c) In accordance with the applicability set forth in section 217-1.2 of this Subpart, no person who owns, operates, or leases a non-electric or non-diesel powered motor vehicle subject to the requirements of this section shall operate said vehicle, or allow or permit it to be operated, in such a manner that:

(1) for gasoline powered vehicles, the gas cap fails to meet the minimum standard contained in table 2; and

(2) for model year 1996 and newer motor vehicles, the on-board diagnostic system fails to identify an emission related malfunction or fails to function as designed.

(d) Table 1a

Table 1a

VEHICLE EXHAUST EMISSION STANDARDS*

(Start-up Standards)

Light Duty Vehicles

Model Year Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide Oxides of Nitrogen
(grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile)
Composite Phase 2 Composite Phase 2 Composite
1994+ Tier1 0.80-10.00 0.50-6.00 15.0-150.0 12.0-120.0 2.0-10.0
1995 1.20-10.00 0.75-6.00 20.0-150.0 16.0-120.0 2.5-10.0
1994 1.20-10.00 0.75-6.00 20.0-150.0 16.0-120.0 2.5-10.0
1993 1.20-10.00 0.75-6.00 20.0-150.0 16.0-120.0 2.5-10.0
1992 1.20-10.00 0.75-6.00 20.0-150.0 16.0-120.0 2.5-10.0
1991 1.20-10.00 0.75-6.00 20.0-150.0 16.0-120.0 2.5-10.0
1990 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 30.0-150.0 24.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1989 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 30.0-150.0 24.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1988 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 30.0-150.0 24.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1987 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 30.0-150.0 24.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1986 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 30.0-150.0 24.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1985 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 30.0-150.0 24.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1984 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 30.0-150.0 24.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1983 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 30.0-150.0 24.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1982 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1981 2.00-10.00 1.25-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 3.0-10.0

Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide
(ppm at idle) (percent at idle)
1981 and later 220 1.2
1979-1980 300 2.5
1975-1978 300 3.0
1968-1974 700 6.0


*Actual exhaust emission standards shall be set by the Department during the start-up phase ( a period of up to two years ) from the range presented. Initially, these standards will be those recommended by the USEPA as contained in Table 1a in bold print (most stringent). Standards listed are based upon the IM240 test. Other test methods may be used but cutpoints used for other tests will be set to yield the same failures as would be realized using the IM240 test. Standards may be changed within the range for each model year if repair facilities experience significant problems in repairing failed vehicles to meet standards or if actual failure rates vary substantially from those predicted. The Department reserves the right to set adjustment factors for non-gasoline or non-diesel fueled vehicles. The Department shall publish notice of any changes to the standards in the Environmental Notice Bulletin.

Table 1a Con't.

Light Duty Trucks 1

(6,000 lbs. GVWR or less)

Model Year Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide Oxides of Nitrogen
(grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile)

Composite Phase 2 Composite Phase 2 Composite
1994+ Tier 1

(<3750 LVW)
0.80-10.00 0.50-6.00 15.0-150.0 12.0-120.0 2.0-10.0
(>3750 LVW)
1.00-10.00 0.63-6.00 20.0-150.0 16.0-120.0 2.5-10.0
1995
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1994
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1993
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1992
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1991
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 3.0-10.0
1990
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 3.5-10.0
1989
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 3.5-10.0
1988
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 3.5-10.0
1987
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1986
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1985
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1984
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1983
7.50-10.00 5.00-6.00 100.0-150.0 80.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1982
7.50-10.00 5.00-6.00 100.0-150.0 80.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1981
7.50-10.00 5.00-6.00 100.0-150.0 80.0-120.0 7.0-10.0

Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide
(ppm at idle) (percent at idle)
1981 and later
220 1.2
1979-1980
300 2.5
1975-1978
300 3.0
1968-1974
700 6.0

Table 1a Con't.

Light Duty Trucks 2

(6,001 - 8,500 lbs. GVWR)

Model Year Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide Oxides of Nitrogen
(grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile)

Composite Phase 2 Composite Phase 2 Composite
1994+ Tier 1

(<5750 LVW)
1.00-10.00 0.63-6.00 20.0-150.0 16.0-120.0 2.5-10.0
(>5750 LVW)
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 4.0-10.0
1995
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 4.5-10.0
1994
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 4.5-10.0
1993
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 4.5-10.0
1992
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 4.5-10.0
1991
2.40-10.00 1.50-6.00 60.0-150.0 48.0-120.0 4.5-10.0
1990
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 5.0-10.0
1989
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 5.0-10.0
1988
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 5.0-10.0
1987
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1986
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1985
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1984
3.20-10.00 2.00-6.00 80.0-150.0 64.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1983
7.50-10.00 5.00-6.00 100.0-150.0 80.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1982
7.50-10.00 5.00-6.00 100.0-150.0 80.0-120.0 7.0-10.0
1981
7.50-10.00 5.00-6.00 100.0-150.0 80.0-120.0 7.0-10.0

Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide
(ppm at idle) (percent at idle)
1981 and later
220 1.2
1979-1980
300 2.5
1975-1978
300 3.0
1968-1974
700 *6.0

Heavy Duty Trucks

( over 8,500 lbs. GVWR)

Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide
(ppm at idle) (percent at idle)
1979 and later
300 3.0
1974-1978
600 4.5
1970-1973
700 6.0

(e) Table 1b.

Table 1b

VEHICLE EXHAUST EMISSION STANDARDS

(Final Standards)

Light Duty Vehicles

Model Year Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide Oxides of Nitrogen
(grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile)

Composite Phase 2 Composite Phase 2 Composite

1994+ Tier1
0.60 0.40 10.0 8.0 1.5
1983-1995
0.80 0.50 15.0 12.0 2.0
1981-1982
0.80 0.50 30.0 24.0 2.0

Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide
(ppm at idle) (percent at idle)
1981 and later
220 1.2
1979-1980
300 2.5
1975-1978
300 3.0
1968-1974
700 6.0

Light Duty Trucks 1

(6,000 lbs. GVWR or less)

Model Year Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide Oxides of Nitrogen
(grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile)

Composite Phase 2 Composite Phase 2 Composite
1994+ Tier1

(<3750 LVW)
0.60 0.40 10.0 8.0 1.5
(>3750 LVW)
0.80 0.50 13.0 10.0 1.8
1988-1995
1.60 1.00 40.0 32.0 2.5
1984-1987
1.60 1.00 40.0 32.0 4.5
1981-1983
3.40 2.00 70.0 56.0 4.5

Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide
(ppm at idle) (percent at idle)
1981 and later
220 1.2
1979-1980
300 2.5
1975-1978
300 3.0
1968-1974
700 6.0

Table 1b Con't.

Light Duty Trucks 2

(6,001 - 8,500 lbs. GVWR)

Model Year Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide Oxides of Nitrogen
(grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile) (grams per mile)

Composite Phase 2 Composite Phase 2 Composite
1994+ Tier1

(<5750 LVW)
0.80 0.50 13.0 10.0 1.8
(>5750 LVW)
0.80 0.50 15.0 12.0 2.0
1988-1995
1.60 1.00 40.0 32.0 3.5
1984-1987
1.60 1.00 40.0 32.0 4.5
1981-1983
3.40 2.00 70.0 56.0 4.5

Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide
(ppm at idle) (percent at idle)
1981 and later
220 1.2
1979-1980
300 2.5
1975-1978
300 3.0
1968-1974
700 6.0

Heavy Duty Trucks

(over 8,500 lbs GVWR)

Hydrocarbon Carbon Monoxide
(ppm at idle) (percent at idle)
1979 and later
300 3.0
1974-1978
600 4.5
1970-1973
700 6.0

(f) Table 2.

Table 2

Gas Cap Integrity Test

Model Year Initial System Pressure Standard

1968 and later 30±1 inches of water Leak rate of less than or equal to 60 cc/min


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§217-1.4 Issuance of certificate of inspection.

No official inspection station as defined by 15 NYCRR 79.1(g) may issue an emission certificate of inspection, as defined by 15 NYCRR 79.1(a), for a motor vehicle, unless that motor vehicle meets the requirements of section 217-1.3 of this Subpart.
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 04:04 PM
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I dont think so. Im not reading all that. I stand by the fact that there is no emission testing in NY state. I dont know anyone personally who has ever had one in NY.
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 04:06 PM
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Just go to the site, or read the first line. There are strict guidlines for emissions testing during inspection in NYS. Ill show you my inspection printout. It shows my emissions on it.
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 06:35 PM
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Where I live In NY (about 1/2 hr north of NYC), they put your car on a dyno and check for exhaust emissions at speed. They go through a whole process of accelerating, braking, shifting and all that. New cars and I think cars 1 or 2 years old are exempt from exhaust emissions testing. If you put a test pipe on your car, it might not pass visual inspection if the place bothers looking. A friend of mine had a Tracker that he hollowed out the cat and he still passed emissions no problem.
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Old Jan 28, 2002 | 07:50 PM
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Maybe its only parts of NY. There is nothing like that at home.
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