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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Timmay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so you try to tell me that when you lower your car that much its not gonna eat tires?

camber will own tires

there is no point in trying to align it either</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol are you really that stupid?

Timmay

I know that camber isnt the only thing that eats tires.. Toe will do alot do alot of damage aswell.. but i know that when you lower you car to the extent of most cars on this thread you will have camber wear'd tires.. and a aligngment will not fix that


and if your so smart.. instead of calling me stupid.. prove the point your trying to make

Grin-T

Castor, toe, that's more to it than just camber...

Having an alignment is beneficial.

PatrickGSR94

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I used to be pretty slammed. With toe adjusted to factory specs I was getting 35K-40K out of a set of ES100's, with about -2.7 camber in front.

8520

Timmay why don't you ask the other members here that are slammed without camber kits and and aligned how quickly they eat tires?

Pretsol for example went for about two years on a set of tires without problems, and he probably had the most negative camber out of anyone.

I have camber kits on my car purely for aesthetics, but once I get around to it I'm going to camber the wheels in between 1.5 and 2.0 degrees

Cain Marko

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Grin-T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Castor, toe, that's more to it than just camber...

Having an alignment is beneficial. </TD></TR></TABLE>

First, its caster, and that has **** to do with eating tires, so just put that faggity baby to bed right there. Since you know everything, dont forget SAI or Steering Axis Inclination as well, Cause thats a somewhat crucial element to an alignment.

Second, to shut everyone else up. Camber will cause uneven wear in tires, but toe is what really eats the **** out of them at a fast rate, because you are basically dragging one tire along as you drive.

Basically out of the two, toe is the worst for pwning tires, and we are talking like new set of tires in the front every few weeks/maybe a month or two. Camber will just wear the inside edge of the tire, but not as fast as toe will. I had my ES100's on from july-december, doing well over 200 miles of driving a week, and then I rocked them from march-july again without any serious wear in the tires. You could tell the inside was wearing faster than the outside, but that wear was limited to the inside only, and there were no steel belts showing or even close to anything showing. So if you cant afford a new set of tires every year, then I pity your job

E46Kid

im with cain

Cain Marko

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EkSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im with cain </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks man, I mean, its not like I go to school for this **** or anything

ROOROWNS

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EkSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im with cain </TD></TR></TABLE>
Because hes right

eg2wes

asol knows wtf he is talking about


i rock 3 degrees negative camber all day long and get 35k miles out of a set of zeix512's


my toe of course is set within spec.


u my friend are a ******* moron for saying a alignment doesnt help

jdmef-9

Timmay

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u my friend are a ******* moron for saying a alignment doesnt help</TD></TR></TABLE>

i never said it doesnt help.. i just said there is no point in trying to get my car on any local alignment rack, and the fact that i adjust my coilovers alot

all i know is even after alignments camber can still wear tires..


but whatever.. im not gonna sit here and argue with Honda-tech know it all's over the internet

SjCiViCHB

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cain Marko &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

First, its caster, and that has **** to do with eating tires, so just put that faggity baby to bed right there. Since you know everything, dont forget SAI or Steering Axis Inclination as well, Cause thats a somewhat crucial element to an alignment.

Second, to shut everyone else up. Camber will cause uneven wear in tires, but toe is what really eats the **** out of them at a fast rate, because you are basically dragging one tire along as you drive.

Basically out of the two, toe is the worst for pwning tires, and we are talking like new set of tires in the front every few weeks/maybe a month or two. Camber will just wear the inside edge of the tire, but not as fast as toe will. I had my ES100's on from july-december, doing well over 200 miles of driving a week, and then I rocked them from march-july again without any serious wear in the tires. You could tell the inside was wearing faster than the outside, but that wear was limited to the inside only, and there were no steel belts showing or even close to anything showing. So if you cant afford a new set of tires every year, then I pity your job </TD></TR></TABLE>

Got it right on the map. All camber does it just cause un-even wear. Toe kills the **** out of your tire life if not set right.

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i never said it doesnt help.. i just said there is no point in trying to get my car on any local alignment rack, and the fact that i adjust my coilovers alot

all i know is even after alignments camber can still wear tires..

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If your going to do all that without getting an alignment done, then, not matter what ride height your at, you will eat tires. Most places usually give you like a 6month to a year warranty. So within that time frame, when you can make an adjustment, just go back and get it re-done.

eg2wes

slammin a car knocks the toe out homie, all you gotta do is get the toe fixed, and your straight. camber wears tires, big deal just enough to notice that they wore uneven when its time to change them anyways

SavEM1

i just want to save my fender

PatrickGSR94

iTrader: (1)

okay enough arguing about camber, back to posting slammed car pics

KOREAN

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">okay enough arguing about camber, back to posting slammed car pics </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thank you!

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Timmah &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i never said it doesnt help.. i just said there is no point in trying to get my car on any local alignment rack, and the fact that i adjust my coilovers alot
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Tell me where you mentioned your car in the following first statement before you try and back-peddle

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Timmah &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
there is no point in trying to align it either</TD></TR></TABLE>


For more pics of slammed cars

SiB16A

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Timmay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


so you try to tell me that when you lower your car that much its not gonna eat tires?

camber will own tires

there is no point in trying to align it either</TD></TR></TABLE>

if your dont have a camber kit align/toe adjust ment will help

verycleanhatch

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You gots to post more pics man.

8520

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You gots to post more pics man. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What he said

B18ls*RAYON

more!

Cain Marko

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg2wes &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">slammin a car knocks the toe out homie, all you gotta do is get the toe fixed, and your straight. camber wears tires, big deal just enough to notice that they wore uneven when its time to change them anyways</TD></TR></TABLE>

I will have to check my papers and books, but since when do lowering springs affect your tie rod ends? When I slammed my car, my toe remained the same, only the camber was effected.

But yes, up for more cars

Fabfive

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That **** is proper.

Hella Flush Kevin

what body work did you guys do to your cars to clear it for alignment?

rolling fenders?
no fender liner?