<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Earthworm Jim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Help me understand, are you saying that because a person has a b series they should run 91?</TD></TR></TABLE>
well it is usually recommended to run 91...but on a b16 you really dont have to
but on a ctr or itr...you should be running 91

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cuz_ican &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
well it is usually recommended to run 91...but on a b16 you really dont have to</TD></TR></TABLE>

I didn't think so. I looked in the manual for the K20 and they actually advice only using 91 for S2000's and NSX's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Earthworm Jim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didn't think so. I looked in the manual for the K20 and they actually advice only using 91 for S2000's and NSX's </TD></TR></TABLE>
but thats a U.S. manual...it is a whole different thing when your refering to a jdm motor and a u.s
...in japan they rate there octane differently...but there lowest converted is still higher than our lowest...
...the manual you are refering to recommends 91, cause its our highest readily available gasoline...im sure if we had 92 in all of our gas stations it would recommend that...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cuz_ican &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
but thats a U.S. manual...it is a whole different thing when your refering to a jdm motor and a u.s</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's true but other than HP and emissions, there's a no difference between JDM and USDM motors. Especially pending the years, the manufactures where even exactly the same. Now if you look at the K20's from 2003 to 2006 the parts when from being made in Taiwan 02-05 to Japan 06+. There's a major difference....stupid aluminum oil pans

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Earthworm Jim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's true but other than HP and emissions, there's a no difference between JDM and USDM motors. Especially pending the years, the manufactures where even exactly the same. Now if you look at the K20's from 2003 to 2006 the parts when from being made in Taiwan 02-05 to Japan 06+. There's a major difference....stupid aluminum oil pans </TD></TR></TABLE>
well emissions has alot to do with the gas you run also and how it burns through your motor...now im not saying your gonna get more horsepower out of running 91...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cuz_ican &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sounds good... its like a front lower tie bar with added support right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
basically.

my question is that does the civic need all these bars and braces to feel solid? I mean, how flexible is this chasis? or are we talking like marginal 'I think I can tell, but I just spent $xxx on this part so I'd better amp it up' sort of gain?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Earthworm Jim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's true but other than HP and emissions, there's a no difference between JDM and USDM motors. Especially pending the years, the manufactures where even exactly the same. Now if you look at the K20's from 2003 to 2006 the parts when from being made in Taiwan 02-05 to Japan 06+. There's a major difference....stupid aluminum oil pans </TD></TR></TABLE>


i say just pump whatever you feel works best for your car. lol. i know if i had an itr/ctr swap i'd be pumping 91. JDM or USDM.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Earthworm Jim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That's true but other than HP and emissions, there's a no difference between JDM and USDM motors. Especially pending the years, the manufactures where even exactly the same. Now if you look at the K20's from 2003 to 2006 the parts when from being made in Taiwan 02-05 to Japan 06+. There's a major difference....stupid aluminum oil pans </TD></TR></TABLE>
yea but the tuning of the motor also has alot to do with what gas is recommended, with higher octane you are allowed to run a bit more timing.. albeit, there is a limit to how much timing you can run.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcarothers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
my question is that does the civic need all these bars and braces to feel solid? I mean, how flexible is this chasis? or are we talking like marginal 'I think I can tell, but I just spent $xxx on this part so I'd better amp it up' sort of gain?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Example, in a hard left turn (with an lower tie bar) the chassis flex is the same. i.e. the body fo the car shifts to the right and the tie bar keeps the wheels "aligned" and from shifting. Now, with the H-brace the chassis flex is eliminated because the frames aligned is bolted down and held in place with the wheels, which also helps to keep your car from rolling over

The H-Brace is about $50 and it's worth it

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i say just pump whatever you feel works best for your car. lol. i know if i had an itr/ctr swap i'd be pumping 91. JDM or USDM. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree, I'm just saying that if I had a 1999 Si with a USDM B16 I'd be wasting my money on 91 unless...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcarothers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
yea but the tuning of the motor also has alot to do with what gas is recommended, with higher octane you are allowed to run a bit more timing.. albeit, there is a limit to how much timing you can run.</TD></TR></TABLE>

In the case of a tune, it would make perfect since to run a higher octane....the Squad has some good info

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcarothers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea but the tuning of the motor also has alot to do with what gas is recommended, with higher octane you are allowed to run a bit more timing.. albeit, there is a limit to how much timing you can run.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that also has alot to do with it too...depending on your set-up and tuning if any you should use gas accordingly...<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcarothers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">basically.

my question is that does the civic need all these bars and braces to feel solid? I mean, how flexible is this chasis? or are we talking like marginal 'I think I can tell, but I just spent $xxx on this part so I'd better amp it up' sort of gain?</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats another good point cuz alot of people think that a part is gonna make a big difference...so they hype themselves up to feel a difference...but im pretty sure if an h brace in a 5th gen chasis would make a "feelable" difference because of the fact that all of the 5th gen(except the si) have no sways or front tie

 

For getting drunk as expletive last night (Daniel you should have came down)
For the disgusting hangover

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MackEg6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> For getting drunk as expletive last night (Daniel you should have came down)
For the disgusting hangover </TD></TR></TABLE>
i would have doggie....but i was allready at my girls house..
and by the time you called me you guys were plastered allready

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cuz_ican &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would have doggie....but i was allready at my girls house..
and by the time you called me you guys were plastered allready </TD></TR></TABLE>
We were gone dog. We gonna roll to that meet on the 27th?? The JDM John one?
2 Tequila bottles, 1 case of Corona

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MackEg6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
We were gone dog. We gonna roll to that meet on the 27th?? The JDM John one?
2 Tequila bottles, 1 case of Corona </TD></TR></TABLE>

i think so..but im not positive yet..but make sure you make it out to nisei nest sunday 20th

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cuz_ican &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think so..but im not positive yet..but make sure you make it out to nisei nest sunday 20th </TD></TR></TABLE>
Let's go! Let me know

I heard your boy angel is gonna be working with you?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Earthworm Jim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Example, in a hard left turn (with an lower tie bar) the chassis flex is the same. i.e. the body fo the car shifts to the right and the tie bar keeps the wheels "aligned" and from shifting. Now, with the H-brace the chassis flex is eliminated because the frames aligned is bolted down and held in place with the wheels, which also helps to keep your car from rolling over

The H-Brace is about $50 and it's worth it

I agree, I'm just saying that if I had a 1999 Si with a USDM B16 I'd be wasting my money on 91 unless...

In the case of a tune, it would make perfect since to run a higher octane....the Squad has some good info </TD></TR></TABLE>
to me it seems as if the H-brace would promote a bit more understeer, a bit less flex up front means less give from the chasis to make it around the corner.. now, granted a stiff chasis is better.. it seems like the car would be dying for a good rear sway bar to fully take advantage of the brace.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cuz_ican &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
that also has alot to do with it too...depending on your set-up and tuning if any you should use gas accordingly...
thats another good point cuz alot of people think that a part is gonna make a big difference...so they hype themselves up to feel a difference...but im pretty sure if an h brace in a 5th gen chasis would make a "feelable" difference because of the fact that all of the 5th gen(except the si) have no sways or front tie</TD></TR></TABLE>
yea, but stock tunes differ from US to JDM ecu's.. slightly I'm sure. I doubt enough to warrant a higher octane fuel in the anotehr market. I think that info you had a few pages ago with our octane rating being 4-5points lower than other countries is pretty spot on.. they have higher octane, but its not as high as it seems.

 

Have a good Saturday everyone, I'm off to get a haircut

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcarothers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to me it seems as if the H-brace would promote a bit more understeer, a bit less flex up front means less give from the chasis to make it around the corner.. now, granted a stiff chasis is better.. it seems like the car would be dying for a good rear sway bar to fully take advantage of the brace.


yea, but stock tunes differ from US to JDM ecu's.. slightly I'm sure. I doubt enough to warrant a higher octane fuel in the anotehr market. I think that info you had a few pages ago with our octane rating being 4-5points lower than other countries is pretty spot on.. they have higher octane, but its not as high as it seems.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah i would like to know if the difference in the h-brace would be a =/-..but i guess we will have to wait and see what cranberry says....when and if he ever throws in on...

/...and gas thing im sure is a never ending coversation...and its one im not educated enough about to continue on with..i dont wanna make a fool of myself\

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cuz_ican &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yeah i would like to know if the difference in the h-brace would be a =/-..but i guess we will have to wait and see what cranberry says....when and if he ever throws in on...

/...and gas thing im sure is a never ending coversation.../</TD></TR></TABLE>
I might have to make him put it in and put this one to rest

the gas thing is never ending... manafacturers will always tell you to run higher than what it really needs though, no car is set to run perfectly on 87.. most regular cars could probably run on like 83(if it even exists). so its kind of a moot point to discuss what is really needed.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcarothers &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
to me it seems as if the H-brace would promote a bit more understeer, a bit less flex up front means less give from the chasis to make it around the corner.. now, granted a stiff chasis is better.. it seems like the car would be dying for a good rear sway bar to fully take advantage of the brace.

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It would seem that way, with a front anti sway bar, a front upper tie bar, a nice lower job, and a decent cambert kit, the understeer is cured. If Jeff is to install it by it's-self with no other suspension mods then it would cause understeer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MackEg6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have a good Saturday everyone, I'm off to get a haircut </TD></TR></TABLE>

booo..i got my hair cut last week..and i don't like it...too short. =/

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Earthworm Jim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It would seem that way, with a front anti sway bar, a front upper tie bar, a nice lower job, and a decent cambert kit, the understeer is cured. If Jeff is to install it by it's-self with no other suspension mods then it would cause understeer.</TD></TR></TABLE>
actually, all that(minus lowering, depending on spring rate) would cause more understeer.. this is why I said a nice rear bar would probably compliment it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Earthworm Jim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It would seem that way, with a front anti sway bar, a front upper tie bar, a nice lower job, and a decent cambert kit, the understeer is cured. If Jeff is to install it by it's-self with no other suspension mods then it would cause understeer.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think he has a ront and rear sway allready

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by American.Graffiti &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

lol. The only thing kids do in my area is drink,smoke and most of all f#ck and have alot of kids. a few are 12-13 years old with babys.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like good fun for the whole family.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pSI civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like good fun for the whole family. </TD></TR></TABLE>?????!!!!!!!!!