^he is nasa az regional director.

 

what makes my track car more functional than your street driven car? i drive the car to and from events so what is the difference? same suspension design and angles granted you can adjust toe but not camber with the use of oe parts. and im not adding the fact you can add shims to the a arms etc because well the front of my car is oe besides the damper and spring.

 

Imma take a stab at this debate. Functionality is related to fulfill purpose or somethings main function. Sooo, the look due to height on a show car could be considered functional because its the look they are purposely going for. Although in the same fact, the car is lowered via its coilover for explaination sake.

So, the funtionality of the suspension itself is not functional. If you are touching frame, you are sacrificing key points that your suspension is supposed to have to function correctly, right? So there are two ways to look at it, and you both are looking at it as opposites. In overall, the cars suspension has lost its function in a slammed hellaflush canibeat show car yo dawg...but the main purpose (function) of the car is for show, then it has achieved that status in the owners eyes, and 90% of HT.

The car itself in my eyes, has lost its funtionality.

 

david you have kind of hit on my point..the term functional is being thrown around like water.

 

Agree with David! My point exactly.

 

so every car is functional? because a "stock" car that is untouched is functional because their function is to get from point a to be. a "track" car is moderately lowered is functional because it.s intended purpose is to get around the track fast. a "slammed" car is pinchwelds from the ground but yet functional because their purpose is to make it on canibeat. a soap box derby car is functional because it is made to roll down a hill...so every car is functional?


so you agree with david??

 

What it is designed to do and what it actually does is two different things. A full out track car isn't going to be functional driven on the street. It wont be functional for going fast because it will just hop and be unstable and it will be a harsh ride too. Not good for anything besides getting weird attention.

 

What we were talking about was ride height, is it functional in the case of Felliphe, right? Or are we talking about being slammed as functional? But in general, we are talking about ride height, slammedness, and its functionality.

So, being slammed is not functional from a suspension aspect is where I was getting at. From a suspension point of view, the car is not functional.

Canibeat- Car.Culture.Lifestyle...if its proper, its on canibeat. Soooo to them slammed is...proper. Proper is suitable. Its right to be slammed to the person....


But not in a suspension aspect. Thats where Im trying to take this. Functional can not be used as a word for one complete aspect, but many tiny aspects. Its not functional to be slammed, but its proper to those people.

 

I think you guys have officially gone to plaid on this discussion.



Here's how I see it.

Slammed or Dumped = the car is lower than it should be and handles worse than a shopping cart.

Functional = the car still handles like it should or better than it should.

 

@ dumpedhatch lol


Gabe, that sounds good too. Thats true too David. Proper looks but not really proper anything else.

 

^^^Agreed

 

This.

 

Another "Nor-Eastahh" strikes New England. Theres snowbanks 6+ feet everywhere. 144 days left till summer time

 

Dayummmm. We have been pretty lucky here in Iowa. There isnt really **** for snow. Ice in driveways and ****, but nothing on the roads.

Cruised the Fit last night with the girlfriend, was really nice. I want to buy one but shes lke, we already have one...why buy another? So, I think Im going to sell my crx and toss some money at the s2000. Hmmm....

 

Post up some pics of the Fit!

 

so a full out track car has to be/have a harsh ride? assuming meaning stiff rates but what what about showroom stock cars that run scca. even for that matter what about the scca solo guys who run a stock class? they get more body lean than snoop hitting 3 wheel in a 64 impala.



im done with the rants..for the time being. my point is all of it is opinion. what you see as "functional" is different than what i find "functional". a car is a mode of transportation that is it. regardless if it is supposed to take on ramps at 145mph..go to the grocery store..or jump a 60ft double in the middle of a x games rally course. they are all being driven and that is the functionality of a car to me. do i like dumpeddhatchh.s hatch..no..do i like the way it "sits"..no. do i like the way he carries himself on this forum..no. should i knock his hustle because he is into something "different" than me..no. we are all cars guys period..if you are stuck in your own little bubble of honda oemness then so be it. i see it as your loss. i try to inspiration from all forms of cars like a rat rod for example. you know how many car deluxe magazines i have..too many. why would i like rat rods i mean they are super low probably ride like crap and probably couldnt take a slalom section at an autox to save their life. what draws me to them is normally the owner/builder shows their expressions/thoughts through their cars. they do what they want not what the scene wants. granted that could/can be a bit false now since they are pretty well mainstream. but why not do what you want with your car not what the trend or scene is doing. it is your car..your artform. be creative.

and dave the proper thing is pretty funny. but didnt you say "Functionality is related to fulfill purpose or somethings main function. Sooo, the look due to height on a show car could be considered functional because its the look they are purposely going for." i can say i find many race cars to be "proper" yet very "functional". ok ok..im done.

 

A full out track car doesnt have to have a rough ride, thats the thing. They drive on mainly smooth pavement. They don't have potholes at the track. It doesnt have to be very comfortable, the objective is to go faster at all costs. If the track is bumpy and rough they just soften up the spring rates to clear them better. Even when they do soften them up, they are still really stiff rates, its softer but stiff relative to the track.

I dont dislike the kid lol. Hes actually alright, I just find it funny but I give him props to pushing the limits. Being functional is fact based and with some opinion. We're all enthusiasts with true love so its different.

Driving at that height on the streets is a harsh ride, thats a fact. If its tolerable or not is up to the owner. Everyone is going to pick their own height based on their needs/willingness to sacrifice function for form and vice versa. Track cars have suspension designed to be at that height, many of them use the cantilever setup which pretty much prevent them from bottoming out the shocks.

Rat rods aren't daily driven though lol, they are functional because they fullfil their purpose well, weekend cruiser. Plus if you wanted to go fast thats not the platform you'd go with. Ever seen rat rods at the track?

Im not on the OEM bubble either, I'm a bit of a purist but its up to the owner of the car to do what they want with it. When someone cuts an integra up to put on a mustang frame yeah Im going to cringe but whatever, its not mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2R0keVpndM

 

Yeah, I did said that, but in the same sense, I also stated that the look they were going for via the suspension is the personal function/purpose, not the true function.

When this all came to be, I was just trying to connect your two views because it seemed that you guys were just going to argue. Where's the EH squad love?

But on the real, I agree with you Brad. I find Felliphe's style and preference nice, because I like that scene (oem freshness). Im not into the dumped scene. My main reason in getting into the debate was to elborate on Brads point of view, which trying to make sense of Claudios. If that makes sense...bahaha.

Brad, I have a truck that blew a motor, and I think Im going to eventually rat rod it...its going to take a lot of time and money, but I think it would be fun tbh. I know I would be in a load of work so thats why Im debating the decision... Id like to f20/f22 one, because I love the way my s2000 sounds



But on the case of the ranting. Brad's view is correct in my eyes, same as Gabes, and I understand where Claudio is coming from.

/rant

 

And dammit Brad!

Quit posting top end Audis. Really the only other cars Im obsessssssed with other than Hondas. Although I appreciate all other cars (throwing that in because the hostility in this ***** effuh. ya feel meh?!?).

 

im not really arguing im just trying to get the point across that all of it is subjective. i remember when i first got into cars and if you were tucking tire you were "dumped/slammed/hammered" etc. never was the term "functional" involved or really even thought about. why? because you either a "ricer" or into "jdm" parts. just like fads..terms i guess go in phases. now you are either "dumped/slammed".."stanced/sunk".."functional/donk".

i understand what hbk has been saying the whole time but it is all a subjective opinion. i know he is the specialist but there are zero facts stating what is "functional" and what is not.

ps that rod is sick. exactly my point about doing what the flip ever you want. you imagine some of the people would be like omg that is blasphemy and some would be like wow that is thinking outside the box. the owner could car less he did what he wanted..yet not a driver in the pic..but on its way there.





to think every track is perfectly smooth is crazy. maybe fia mandated tracks but i can think of 2 spots on putnam that i avoid. autobahn has a few spots on full course. and like you mentioned before..curbs. when you want to get the fastest time possible you try to use as much of the track as possible. i will tell you there are some potholes id rather hit than some of the curbs ive hit. here is an example of benjy at ia..

 

what did you say about audis?




^ian baas. local dude.

 

I wasnt saying that you didnt know what he was saying. I was just saying I was trying to contribute to why you are both correct, but in different senses. And I never knew "functional" was a term for slammed nowadays...hmmm....

Either way, in reality its not functional but proper to that persons view of their car.

Well wasnt that fun guys?

 

Dayummmm!!!!!!!!!! Got splitters?

Sexy.

 

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