Im running jic one piece handles like a ****ing go cart and not to stiff I would recomend them over anything on the market.

 

^yeah I believe it, those are legendary.

 

Same ole ****. Senior year of undergrad is kicking my ***. I still have a few things to do to my car before I feel its picture worthy. I was driving it around last night and the clutch master cylinder gave out on me so I had to ride home in 1st gear without stopping. lol. That wasn't too bad. I would have worked on it today but the flash flooding didn't help the cause so I'm chilling for today.

 

The thing about the adjust ability though is you can adjust it as much as you want but if its inferior on the shock dyno you are just adjusting an inferior shock.

On a koni shock there is pretty much endless adjustability, there are no set knotches you can turn it 1 full turn or turn it 1mm. If full stiff is not stiff enough for you then you can have them re valved which is cheap and most important EASY to do.

As far as pre load with lowering you can adjust the snapring to 3 or 4 different settings down the shock to get the car lower with out sacrificing preload.


Other advantages to having the Koni/GC setup over a 1 piece are lifetime warrenty on both parts and also being able to easily change spring rates.


I had up to 2K to spend on coilovers and ended up with this setup and will prob never go back to anything else because it works so well and is so versatile.




This is from the GC website:


"Ground Control works very hard with Eibach USA to make these springs to the standards that you demand. Lifetime guarantee on everything, not just springs. No excuses about ";racing"; or ";special";. If anything fails, while being correctly installed, it will be taken care of, period. We can only have a guarantee like this because every single part of the Ground Control Street coil-over kit is made by us or someone we trust. None of these parts are made in Taiwan. Everything is made in the USA."

 

How is it an "Inferior Shock" if It is doing what I am telling it to.... 1 Click Hard = Stiffer, or I can increase the Spring Tension without adjusting the shock. Ok a Koni is more consistant on the shock Dyno... Thats Great... I'm not knocking them, they have always had a good product. I'm simply stating that my Coilovers do EXACTLY what I want them to do. I can dial in how stiff or soft I want the car and I can put the car at the exact height I want it at without adjusting Preload. If I want to go Stiffer without adjusting the shock, and I've run out of spring rate, I still have the option to purchase stiffer springs. I've had my Coilovers for over 2 Years with No Complaint. They still ride the same since the day I put them On...

**** Different Setups and different styles make for a great conversation Piece LOL... Thats why the honda World is so diverse.

 

Relative spring height (adjusting the perch) has NO AFFECT on the spring rate. I repeat: NO AFFECT on spring rate. An 8k spring will be an 8k spring whether it's up high or down low. Rate is rate and should be constant if it's a quality spring.

It's not "wrong" because how else would you lower this suspension:



Or this one:



I could go on and on but it's clear that you're only used to the new breed of Taiwanese "two-piece" coilovers. Even with a "one piece" coilover you can maintain preload when you adjust the spring perch.

I don't know who taught you, but you need to go back and get the REAL 411 on how your suspension works. Shock damping rate has NOTHING to do with your spring rate, height, or color. How can you adjust ANYTHING related to a spring by twisting a **** on a shock? Think about it. I mean really step back and think about it.

Someone has only given you half of the information and I think you need to stop and think about the simple mechanics of it. Don't worry so much about preload and 900 way adjustability but consider the mechanics of the suspension, what it does, what it prevents, and how the shock and spring work together. You've been bombarded by too many marketing terms. Sort the **** from the facts.

 

I Guess I should Have Specified that I have 2 Piece Coilovers...





I didnt mean to say "Spring Rate" was just trying to say that It defeats the Purpose of a 2 Piece Coilover (like the one pictured above) if you adjust the spring down (Unless you are trying to go Super Low)... The point is to adjust by the Lowest Ring (On 2 Piece Coilover). The coilovers I have adjusted have all been 2 Piece (D2, KSport, PIC's, Omni's, Function and Form, Buddy Clubs, Tein Flex's) I have never personally adjusted a 1 Piece Coilover (Not Including Ebay's LOL) but a couple friends of mine have Tien Basic's (1 Pieces), I am aware of how they work.

You are Exactly Right. I'm not trying to say preload will be changed when adjusting the height down, I was stating that it is pointless to adjust by the spring, once again I should have specified that I was refering to a 2 Piece Coilover. On the 2 Pieces you can add tension to the spring to stiffen the car without sacrificing clicks on the dapener or if you are out of clicks on the dapener. Something you can do to get a car a little stiffer before you have to go up on the Spring Rate... (Cheap Way Out - Obviously not the best thing to do)

I Know... Dapening is the Speed of the Shock which translates into faster rebound for a stiffer Feel. I also realize that adjusting the clicks on the dapener is NOT changing the Spring nor is it adjusting Height. I Said I could adjust the dapener OR adjust spring tension, I Wasn't trying to state that they were related.

I didnt buy my coilovers because I said "Hey Look, 18 Way Adjustability" I bought them because I knew I could get my cars' stance and feel right with these coilovers. There is most often times always gonna be a better and latest and greatest setup coming out, but at the time I bought these, they were the best bang for my buck.

 

F² are all around nice, my friend who I mentioned earlier, who had the ITR (sold it though ) had the Type-IIs and they rode great. The funny thing is that he got rid of them for Omni Power and he said those were his favorite. He had 3 different sets of coilovers so he could tell the differences.

 

Man I'm loving this suspension talk, I've gotta get something after winter. Currently on stock shocks with what I believe to be replica Tein s-tech springs.

 

I'd enjoy the suspension conversation more if the fellow with the Taiwanese stuff had a better grasp of the English language. It's really difficult to understand what he is trying to say, unfortunately.

And in regard to shock dyno graphs, I've seen a lot of those budget brands with really bad performance numbers; they might have 18 or 36 or 72 clicks of the dial, but those clicks on the dial were in some instances half of the range a stock Koni shock had.

There are good brands and bad brands, but it's a mistake to knock the Koni/GC combination because it isn't as shiny as your favorite.

However, when people bring words like "stance" into it, there's no point in even talking about performance numbers and true suspension theory beyond how you "poke" your wheels and "tuck" your tires.

 

Haha, that's funny. If you could grasp the english language you'd understand that I never knocked Koni/GC, I know they are a great product and I stated that, I know a few people with them and swear by them. Its also funny that you can't "Grasp" the fact that I DON'T TRACK MY CAR (I've stated that numerous times now), but I do daily it, so "Stance" is important to me. Believe it or not not all people who buy suspension are track ****** or care how they compare to the Koni/GC setup on the shock dyno. The fact of the matter is, I don't know everything about suspension and neither do you, so just stop while ure ahead and stop saying that my 18 way adjustable "taiwanese"coilovers are junk. They have been problem free on my car for over 2 years and have done great through the many different settings I've had them on. Its important to you that ure suspension has to perform well on the track, to me, mine has to perform well and be able to be adjusted for my liking for the street. Different parts for different likings and preferences.

 

Haha, been there done that, that's how my car came when I got it. Sold a Fender Stratocaster to upgrade my suspension. Just got a good deal on a set of Yellows (Koni Sports) and bought some H&R Race springs, very cost efficient, and rides awesome. Yellows really are great shocks. In Kansas City my car rode like a dream, but when I moved to this little hick college town with potholes every 2 feet I had to turn my shocks almost all the way down (not all the way down though, because it descreases the life of the shock). And I was amazed at how smooth these Konis can ride on bumpy roads, compared to how hard they can. The difference between 0 degrees adjustment and 720 degrees adjustment is like comparing snow to concrete. Or something. I keep mine at around 180, then anything past 360 is pure business.

 

Nice man, I am under the impression that KY/H&R springs are the best for the street, the springs arent as stiff as ground controls. I have no idea what I'm getting, but the way I look at it is if Im going to spend big cash then I might as well spend a little more and get something a bit better so not sure if I'll swing with H&Rs since I might as well get GCs

 

I say if your town is smooth enough for GCs then go for it.

 

Given your poor use of language, I couldn't tell if you liked either the Konis or the Taiwanese stuff. You were however mentioning several times how you didn't want to effect the spring rate, which lead me to believe you had some sort of inclination into how suspension works and how it will influence the handling of your car; to me I thought you meant in relation to cornering and stability, rather the ability to cope with potholes and speed bumps you encounter on your daily driving adventures to the local watering hole.

However, have a good day, I was just checking in to see pictures of cool hatches, like the one I drove... a decade ago.

 

Ever thought about getting another one?

Check out the stockness... I think it needs some polished pieces...

 

Riding dumped is the only way I know.

 

 

That's pretty

Man, I need to get back into powder coating.... /sigh


Steve

 

For the koni/gc crew, anyone using the upper mounts/top hats? Do you lose anything by allowing that much more travel?


Steve

 

nah... first one got flat-bedded out of a parking lot in the middle of the day in a busy area with people all over. fool me once, sham on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

i like my m3 just fine.

 

Flatbeds to steal cars? I was under the impression that it was a myth. lol. That never happens.

 

tow hooks?

 

this happens all the time in san fransico

 

Isn't it crazy? That's why I hope I get a job with American Honda here in the midwest, like in Marysville, OH, so I don't have to live in CA and be paranoid. I want to enjoy owning my hatch, and I want to be able to park it anywhere I want, for as long as I want. Nobody in my town would even want my car, they think their '88 Silverado is better.

BTW, I'm guessing it's an E46? SMG or manual?