civic cx

b16 with pistons and rods on e85 reving to 10k rpm


b16 with pistons and rods on e85 reving to 8200 rpm



gsr stock motor on e85 reving to 8200 rpm



long story short the gsr with 19-22 psi made only 447whp
the b16 makes 543!!! at same boost wtf.....
the smaller motor with higher rev better?

gsr was taken to 9k rpm to make 447whp
b16 was taken to 10k and makes 543whp

jdmh22eg2

Meh tq. Show me those numbers

Muckman

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RPM is factored into HP so reving higher will help. Lets see the dynos.

justYncredible

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Can't judge psi to hp, that is the golden rule

TheShodan

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Same turbocharger? EXACT SAME turbocharger?

rs250nut

Small block ftw

zedron

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Big Factor here.

civic cx

yes same turbo same car
only thing different is motor (gsr / b16)

with gsr going to 9k and b16 going to 10k

TheShodan

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Rpm may make more peak power, but I'm like the others now. lets see boost/rpm curve of graph and parameters used, please.

nealnanoHX

Yeah post up the TQ and boost curve. What cams are being used will make a big difference. Air temps and IAT and humidity will make a big difference as well. The B16 was built, what compression did it end up being? I be the B18 made power sooner and made lots more TQ across the whole RPM band.

Schister66

Without a lot more data (dyno graph, complete parts list, data log), I have my doubts. Something other than GSR vs B16 is causing the difference. The flow rates of the two engines are marginally different and wouldnt cause that big of a variation with all other factors being equal

phaphon

where are you tuning? just curious since i live near fresno

never mind i saw the video

rev-speed

sorry guys we didn t save the logs
we usually video the display when we dyno

I can put up a picture of the graphs side-by-side

civic cx

i know my t67 on my b16 didn t full boost till 6700 rpm very lazy on dyno
but rips on the street

http://vimeo.com/49773710

OneBadTurboCRV

They are both "small blocks" you nut!

This is THE most pointless comparison I have ever seen on here. That engine made more than power this one, WOW, that is AMAZING. No specifications were given for either engine, temperature difference, if they were in fact the same dyno, ect, ect... So "D-Dawg" is just a speculator at best. Pathetic.

This coupled with the fact that you clearly lack knowledge between B-series platforms. Stay in school kid.

m3tech95

^This. The mere fact that the B16 had pistons & rods & your "Surprised" it made more HP than the "stock" Gsr is reason enough to close this thread. The B16 could have easily had higher compression aftermarket pistons which would easily, if for no other reason, explain why the same psi would produce more than a gsr with no upgrded internals. The b16 revving to 10K, on E85, with aftermarket internals should have de-mystified this before you even clicked the "Post New Topic" button.

rev-speed

wow why so mean lol
so do you tune?
and build motors?
you are so hard on this guy like your miller or speed factory

rev-speed

I did t know that piston s and rods with lower compression makes
more power ( must be a new thing lol)

unless your thinking a b16 needs pistons and rods to rev to 10 k

OneBadTurboCRV

Yes,
Yes,
...and I am well above them as I have never seen them build anything in the NASCAR or Top Fuel circuits.

Regardless, as stated before, when no specifications are given, how in the world can you compare something modified to stock? The worst part is nothing was even listed as to what the mods are exactly. Anyone who knows a single thing about turbo B-series engines would be able to comprehend how the "smaller" engine can be on par with the "larger" one when it comes to horsepower. Given, it may be at different RPMs, but it all depends on the ENTIRE setup... which again, wasn't provided.

This is all just like saying "my car is faster because my engine is bigger and has more power"... Absolutely ridiculous.

Ryank327

You obviously misread, he said higher compression not lower. The b16 probably has a higher compression and that along with the higher revs an obviously different tune could account for the difference. Tuner could have been having a bad day when he tuned the gsr and not pulled everything he could out of it. This isnt that surprising.

civic cx

the gsr was all stock 10.2-1
the b16 is 9-1 with pistons and rods

Muckman

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So he cant talk in your retarded thread asking a newb question because he isnt as fast as Chris Miller? Hmm makes sense.

civic cx

lol
seriously , you're like one of the most retarded *** person in this world
you have a build motor and you can t even break 500 lol
and who the hell max out 1000 IDs on only 450 hp
I hope you didn't make that Power at the flywheel

man if I were you I would just go and jump off the bridge
do yourself a favor just go and burn your retarded car lmao

FYI my stock b16 that's bone stock did 518 to the wheels
don't go and shot yourself alright
I don't want have to feel bad for your wife and kids oh wait you probably don't have one because you're a loser

I mean what kind of lame wants to waste money and do it 13 5 to 1 compression turbo setup retard

extralargenog

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This thread eats ****.

rich7777

Look at your self a bit closer before giving people **** like that. The only moron in this thread is your self. "WTF my buddys b16 makes more hp than his gsr !!!" I think the title alone sums up how brainless and backwards you actually are LMFAO.