will i be safe using a vafc or safc
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will i be safe using a vafc or safc
i have a b16a and i just want a greddy turbo at 6 lbs and i need to know if i should get a hondata or just a vafc or w/e i want to be as safe as i can and also not spend 445 buks on a ecu so let me know what you would do..... i tried to search nothing came up
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Re: will i be safe using a vafc or safc (jdm_loser)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm_loser »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i want to be as safe as i can and also not spend 445 buks on a ecu </TD></TR></TABLE>
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. To be as safe as possible you spend decent money on a hondata/zdyne/whatever stand alone aftermarket ecu with some type of aftermarket tested fuel injectors and spend more money on getting it tuned well. If not, you start using things like VAFC, FMU's, tune yourself, using junkyard fuel injectors, ect. Basically, to be safe you spend money, otherwise you're allowing a larger and larger amount of danger into your setup. I know people are going to argue against me for some of stand alones, and they're going to say they're just as safe as the expensive aftermarket ones, but for the average joe on the street who doesn't know what a fuel curve even looks like, the aftermarket stuff is safest.
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Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. To be as safe as possible you spend decent money on a hondata/zdyne/whatever stand alone aftermarket ecu with some type of aftermarket tested fuel injectors and spend more money on getting it tuned well. If not, you start using things like VAFC, FMU's, tune yourself, using junkyard fuel injectors, ect. Basically, to be safe you spend money, otherwise you're allowing a larger and larger amount of danger into your setup. I know people are going to argue against me for some of stand alones, and they're going to say they're just as safe as the expensive aftermarket ones, but for the average joe on the street who doesn't know what a fuel curve even looks like, the aftermarket stuff is safest.
Ryan P.
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Re: will i be safe using a vafc or safc (jdm_loser)
The afc hack will work fine.. Get some dsm 450cc injectors and your good up to about 10psi.. Also get something like a msd btm to retard the timing under boost..
But like SJP0tato said.. If you want the best possible tune then you need to get a standalone engine management system, Im using the AEM EMS..
But like SJP0tato said.. If you want the best possible tune then you need to get a standalone engine management system, Im using the AEM EMS..
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Re: will i be safe using a vafc or safc (tgreaves)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tgreaves »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The afc hack will work fine.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
For 6 psi? With 42 deg advance at transition into boost and 35 deg advance at 6psi, when a normal un-AFC hacked vehicle is at 28 deg final timing on WOT. Yeah, fine. Safe! Do it!!11
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tgreaves »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also get something like a msd btm to retard the timing under boost..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Care to explain how a BTM is going to do anything to control mutant ignition recurve due to AFC hack? AFC hack + BTM = do not work together in the manner you ASSume they do. In the figurative sense, they do not work together at all.
The two links relative to this thread:
AFC Hack ignition fuckage
Uberdata
I will add the disclaimer that Ryan was completely correct in his summation that it's probably best for a n00b to spend the money on a reputable aftermarket setup and tuning.... however my completely correct devil's advocate answer is that something like Uberdata is going to require you to learn and think, which is the best thing for a n00b to do, IMO. Regardless of you deciding to go Hondata and find a tuner, look into Uberdata and what is involved, play around with the software to see what's going on, and start learning.
For 6 psi? With 42 deg advance at transition into boost and 35 deg advance at 6psi, when a normal un-AFC hacked vehicle is at 28 deg final timing on WOT. Yeah, fine. Safe! Do it!!11
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tgreaves »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also get something like a msd btm to retard the timing under boost..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Care to explain how a BTM is going to do anything to control mutant ignition recurve due to AFC hack? AFC hack + BTM = do not work together in the manner you ASSume they do. In the figurative sense, they do not work together at all.
The two links relative to this thread:
AFC Hack ignition fuckage
Uberdata
I will add the disclaimer that Ryan was completely correct in his summation that it's probably best for a n00b to spend the money on a reputable aftermarket setup and tuning.... however my completely correct devil's advocate answer is that something like Uberdata is going to require you to learn and think, which is the best thing for a n00b to do, IMO. Regardless of you deciding to go Hondata and find a tuner, look into Uberdata and what is involved, play around with the software to see what's going on, and start learning.
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Re: will i be safe using a vafc or safc (J. Davis)
This is why I run an AEM EMS and forget about all the hacks.. I have just heard of alot of people using the afc hack with a btm so thats why I said it..
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