You're definitely right about this. I worked for a manufacturing company that repaired a lot of products manufactured in China. We had a very high profit margin doing these repairs compared to our regular product lines, and it was still more cost effective for our customer to have the parts cast and machined in China before coming to the US for final inspection and eventually into service. Eventually, their quality improved to where repairs were negligible.

A lot of products we repaired we like this. They were intially developed and refined by US companies, then copied and produced for pennies on the dollar by overseas manufacturers.

 

Not sure if that's a very good point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the OE manufacturers don't use Full-Race, ARP, The Driveshaft Shop, and a bunch of other quality aftermarket suppliers either.

/devil's advocate

 

Uhmm I just dont buy it. Day by day standards are slipping in big companies QC going out the window for bottom line. Garret/honeywell used to be a US company I wonder why? I bet that some of these "ebay" turbos are left over or stollen parts from garret or holset factories, if not stolen parts at least stolen forges and tooling. At least this is the way that companies who make screens outside of Foxconn fro the apple iphones. Its fact, huge crates of screens go missing, stamp dies and casts get stolen, employees are traded, AND MOST OF THE TIME AUTHORIZED ILLEGITIMATELY BY EMPLOYEES OF THE LEGITIMATE FACTORY.:hamme

Basically im saying that probably was a garret, garrets can blow up too. furthermore do you really think a cloned compressor wheel with exact same thickness housing, almost identical metallurgy and yada yada is really that much different. yeah it may too much run out excessive play whatever, but i don't buy that any of the higher quality knocks offs are that different at all from a garret unit.


That being said, I am running a gt3076 journal bearing garret turbo with 0 problems, my car had a godspeed ball bearing turbo that almost seized due to oil starvation. It didnt exploded, it made 25 lbs of boost, and had a copper drain pipe off the turbo. I traded a srt4 with crapped out ring lands for it, basically just really wanted the shell! :-) turned out to be a built motor :-) so i bought a used garret of a evo 10 for 300$ with toasted bearings. i fixed for $20, and i marked the shaft so didnt have to rebalance it.

 

My point was about the turbocharger and not the other components and not other engine modifications. I do hope you understood that, i just want to know what point youre trying to make.

 

interesting i wonder why dodge and GM moved some of there plants to canada and mexico...

 

Actually, some of their better engineers came FROM the OEM, which have a different specialization then OEM requirements.. Which actually are higher than these companies since they were for public use.

/devil's advocate

 

NAFTA contract continuance 1996-2015

 

tru dat tru dat

at one time these companies were in america, but thats an entirely different topic

 

Just saying that the lack of OEM use is not necessarily an indicator that the manufacturer should be avoided.
Having a couple good engineers doesn't mean anything if the company refuses to adopt proper QC and testing procedures though.

 

nicely put!
i wonder what bigger company (if any) is over ARP. toyota uses indiana fastners to get majority of there bolts, nuts, washer and other tighten items to assemble there vehicles in the states

 

ARP probably is not nearly large enough yet to supply major OEM contracts.

Good thread btw

 

nice post!

 

Ok. Now your argument is becoming circular. Those companies never intended to be like the OEM W/ ISO9001/9002 standards. They used some of those designers to help with consistency and material use only.. Never to become like OEM. So thE OEM would never use them in that regard.

 

Ford used full-race who used Borg warner EFRs and Garrett intercoolers to build demo turbo kits for display motors at sema....

 

plus automotive companies sometimes make deals with a reputable tuner to design a turbo setup for a production vehicle. its cheaper to pay and supply a tuner versus trying to have a engineer in which who doesnt know anything or much about tuning. my tuner told me he has been asked by a couple companies, but it seems about right on how auto companies may go about it.

 

I often wonder if my master power was made in brazil or made in china?

 

Cool info.

I do find it odd that some H-T members always try to save the world one post at a time. Can't fix stupid fellas, especially over the interwebs

 

If the master power is a legitimate unit it will have made in Brazil all over it.

Can't save the world but maybe we can stop giving money to the Chinese hand over fist

 

Proud owner of "made in England" Holset

 

I don't see how people are satisfied paying $350 bux everytime one of the chinese turbos gives up the ghost. Better to do one and done!

 

They figure for 350 if it breaks so what, when they could've spent a little more and had a quality unit

Also, Garrett never patented their compressor housings or turbine housings, go figure... a lot of the new china turbos look exactly like Garrett units from thee outside, especially those with an "S" compressor housing.

 

And GM did the same thing with our shop 10 years ago for 3 concept vehicles, as well as used our facilities to test out the 2003 Neon SRT-4. Just like with Full-Race, we were contracted to make a test vehicle, because they didn't have the "imagination" the import shops did. Doesn't mean we're used all the time, in or out of the OEM.

 

Um.. yeah they did. But these knock-off companies don't follow patent laws.. They know they could get sued, but without being in their jurisdiction, why would they follow international and copyright laws? If I were them I wouldn't give a rat's *** about Americans and their "lawsuits" either.

 

hahaha do you even believe the bs that you spew?

what facility did you have 10 years ago? let alone ever.

any pics of the "3 concept vehicles"? or proof of "your company assisting GM"?

so sick of seeing "theshodan" and his alt screen names trying to tell people how to do things/they are doing it wrong based on his experiences, when he has very little real world experience to speak from...

he doesn't build his own turbochargers, doesn't have a shop, doesn't have a balancer to build any of the stupidly renamed turbochargers he pumps on here with his constant free sales pitches..


here ya go "Mac" a new signature for you or your alt's:
"The Shodan, can't pay sponser fees on honda-tech, doesn't build anything. but, will sell you a turbo and tell you a story"

 

Yup, my turbo just created itself and address I sent it to was a worm hole.

"With over 15yrs in the automotive turbocharged business" - damn thats a long time in the industry. You must have a lot of valuable information to contribute