Steeve_Civic

Just afraid that sleeves move since over heating yesterday.
I've removed the head and going to change the cometic HG by a Golden Eagle.
what is the maximum Sleeves overtaking ? and how can I control them?

Thks

Slacker93eg

I'm not sure what you are asking, are you asking if the sleeves move can you repair it or are you asking about boring the cylinders? What motor?

Steeve_Civic

Ok sorry.
It is a B18C engine, and my Comectic gasket sucks so I take out today the head.
I would like to control my sleeves and if they exceed all the same height.

damnilovepuzz3d

Are you trying to ask if the sleeves have sunk?

What kind of sleeves are in it?

Just run an OEM Honda head gasket

Steeve_Civic

Yes
Darton Sleeves with block guard, but would like to control them

kbouchard1092

Darton sleeves with block guard??? Darton mids?

I had the same issue with my cometic....i had temps go up to 235 very briefly...Mine were fine when i pulled the head. Since ive gone OEM they have never gone over 197 even in traffic/high boost ect.

Steeve_Civic

Ok sorry, but how can I control if Sleeves moved? and what is the maximum differences between each sleeves?

I've bought an Golden Eagle HG too.

kbouchard1092

The sleeves should not move period. If they did you should talk to whoever did the machine work.

Im still confused. Did you get Darton mids? or you got regualr darton sleeves and added a block guard? also confused what u mean my maximum differences between sleeves?

If you got regular darton sleeved (not the mids) then you should look into CSS (cylinder support system) PM member Trickeng. This will prevent any moving of the sleeves if youre that worried about it....If you got the mids you wouldnt be able to use the CSS

rich7777

I think the language barrier has the best of this one.

Steeve_Civic

sorry again,

Here is my engine, hope it helps you to understand me

kbouchard1092

Those are Darton mids....That is not a blockguard...well in essence it serves the same purpose. But completly different as the flange is incorporated into the sleeve. Seems to look normal here. Those sleeves should not walk at all if installed properly. The slight gap between each flange from cylinder to clyinder shouldnt effect any performance...IF it was a gap between the actual cylinders you would have a issue with sealing. The area i "think" youre talking about is outside of the cylinder sealing area and wont affect anything

if you dont understand what im saying completly i think google translate might be of more help. Hope this helps

Keith

EddieCRX

Bonjour Steve

Vous avez MID manches et qu'ils sont pris en charge entre le manchon de sortie et la veste de l'eau.
Vous n'avez pas besoin de soutenir le haut des manches comme ils viennent avec un soutien intégral.
Ces manchons sont bonnes pour la très haute puissance ; Assurez-vous que vous utilisez la tête droite joint et goujons pour sécuriser la tête.

Veuillez pardonner mon mauvais français,

Steeve_Civic

OK I understand.

I was searching the problem of my Headgasket suck.
Perhaps my ARP HeadStud

or Cometic Gasket

Yes Google is my friend thks!

But I don't really understadn the difference between Darton Mid or Darton sleeves with BlockGuard, if you can help me :-))

kbouchard1092

http://www.darton-international.com/midinfo.html The sleeves have additional support in the upper cylinder area from the flange that it attached to sleeved. Regular sleeves with block guard would not compare as its not a machined fit. (unless you get the CSS)

No need to worry you have the Better Sleeve.

Keep OEM Honda Gasket. If the Arps have been Torqued multiple times you may want to grab a new pair. Not sure how many times people re-torque theirs but im on my 4th and they are fine

If you are blowing a OEM gasket then something isnt right. Ensure the block and head for straightness. And make sure you are tq'ing the arp's correctly

Steeve_Civic

Ok I understand thank you.
I've just controlled with a friend the difference between each sleeves, and the third one in 0,9mm lower than the 4th one!
Do you know if there is a warranty?
How can I be sure that it is a real Darton Sleeves? because the last guy who built the motor told me he bought the engine on Ebay Motor

EddieCRX

Your sleeves look like Darton MID and I have never seen a copy,
Your warranty would be with the engineering company that installed the sleeves not Darton.
The machine process is very specific, they need to machine the block to an exact measurement, the sleeves seat on a small area and this tolerance is crucial, as is the sealant and pressing process.
Call a company such as T1 and order a Golden Eagle sleeved block,, it’s not going to be as cheap as ebay but you will have some back up if things go wrong with the sleeves.

I would like to know where you drag race the car? Is this in France?

Steve D

Number 2 sleeve is in there 180 degrees out. We designed these B series sleeves with more coolant holes through the flange on the exhaust side. Number 2 has the extra holes on the intake side. I would pull that sleeve and turn it around. Take it back to however did the installation.

Sleeves should be flush with the deck surface of the block. The head gasket will not seal if a sleeve has sunk more than a thou. Have the shop resurface the block after they correct the number 2 sleeve issue. Before resurfacing, torque a head or honing plate up with head gasket to make certain the sleeves are all seated.

After first heat up cool down cycle, retorque the fasteners. Loosen one nut in the correct sequence and bring back to specified torque. Go on to the next nut loosen and retorque. Continue until all are retorqued.

If the machine work was done to spec. I wrote the instructions on Darton's site, the sleeves should not sink again.

Steve

Race Engine Development

kbouchard1092

Well Said Steve D....and good catch i was not aware of that. I would do exactly what he is telling you to do.

Steeve_Civic

Thank you Steve D. First of all for the Sleeves number 2 and for the explications.
But In France, no one want to do that, I think I'm going to do a Darton Coffee Table!!

Now I'm looking a brand new Block B18 with sleeves...

kbouchard1092

Its possible it could be fixed...If the block is now junk the sleeves may still be salvagable for a new block. Those are not cheap sleeves. If you can salvage them i would do so. You would still need to have a machinist look at the block to determine what can be salvaged/fixed

EddieCRX

Steeve

There are many engineering shops with experience on Darton sleeves in the UK that will re-work your block for you, it may come down to cost but it will be cheaper and quicker than shipping it back to the USA.

I guess you need to compare the cost between a new sleeved block and having yours fixed.

slayer423

dont trip dude 235 doesnt sound too extreme or is that when the needle goes all the way to the right. if oem sleeves can take temps that high for a lil bit without damage then why shouldnt these hercules darton sleeves also. if you were driving and your car over heated but you got off the freeway and no white smoke came outfrom behind then your find and consider yourself lucky. i overheated and the nearest water place was 2 miles away, i had to drive with needle to the right for 2 miles reving to 2 grand and everything was perfect after. oem gasket ftw, and nothing else, ever!!!!!!!!!!!

Steeve_Civic

Yes interested Eddy.
Have you some shop adress? could you help me to contact them?
Thank you

Steeve_Civic

I'll re checked tomorrow with a meter how many mm the sleeve go down

EddieCRX

Hi Steeve

Good friend of mine had his Darton MID sleevs machined and insalled by this company, it would be an idea to call them.

http://www.knightengineservices.co.uk/

I know of 2 other companies but there prices may not be as good.