What can my set up SAFELY make on a stock engine GSR---------->
01-07-2006, 04:06 PM
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What can my set up SAFELY make on a stock engine GSR---------->
I am building a kit for my GSR. It is my first turbo build, and i did my reading before i started building it. I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions or comments about my set up thus far. My initial goal was to make 300whp safely on the stock engine, but i have recently dropped that to 280 whp. I don't have a built engine and i'm going to make that power under 11psi so that i dont have to deal w/ the map sensor. The GSR has 55,xxx on it and has even compression at 220psi per cylinder if i remember correctly.....(not sure about the psi, but it was all the same)
My Set Up:
T3/T04E 60Trim .63AR Garrett turbo
SPoolin Performance log manifold, 2.5" dp, and dump (still have to get the dp and dump)
2.5" Charge piping
18x9x2 FMIC
RC550 injectors w/ Walbro HP fuel pump
Chipped P28 ECU on Crome or CromePro (haven't decided)
HP Racing Intake Manifold
2.5" exhaust no cat....just resonator
SSAC 38mm wastegate at 8psi
Tial 50mm BOV
6 pk clutch and pressure plate
tuning will be done by Nick Tufte at SLS in Fargo ND this spring
Thoughts and comments........
My Set Up:
T3/T04E 60Trim .63AR Garrett turbo
SPoolin Performance log manifold, 2.5" dp, and dump (still have to get the dp and dump)
2.5" Charge piping
18x9x2 FMIC
RC550 injectors w/ Walbro HP fuel pump
Chipped P28 ECU on Crome or CromePro (haven't decided)
HP Racing Intake Manifold
2.5" exhaust no cat....just resonator
SSAC 38mm wastegate at 8psi
Tial 50mm BOV
6 pk clutch and pressure plate
tuning will be done by Nick Tufte at SLS in Fargo ND this spring
Thoughts and comments........
01-07-2006, 04:08 PM
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i saw the thread about the highest hp stock GSRs, but i need this car to be reliable for a while....idk how long those cars last. I am also getting the car tuned on 91octane, but i plan to run 92 or 93....idk if doing that is necessary
01-07-2006, 04:15 PM
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01-07-2006, 05:30 PM
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Re: (wpgcivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wpgcivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1478127</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schister66 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i saw the thread about the highest hp stock GSRs, but i need this car to be reliable for a while....idk how long those cars last. I am also getting the car tuned on 91octane, but i plan to run 92 or 93....idk if doing that is necessary</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would stay between 300-350 on a completely stock block. Get a good tuner. GL.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schister66 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i saw the thread about the highest hp stock GSRs, but i need this car to be reliable for a while....idk how long those cars last. I am also getting the car tuned on 91octane, but i plan to run 92 or 93....idk if doing that is necessary</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would stay between 300-350 on a completely stock block. Get a good tuner. GL.
01-07-2006, 10:13 PM
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300-400 seems to be the average... people are doing 300whp with stock LS's..
your tuner will find a nice power level for you.. dont go in there and be like "i only want 300"
i'm sure he will tune to the fuel avalible in your area... what you make is what you make.. who knows.. it may be 400hp.. which would be fine.. just dont drive like a tool and it'll last...
either way its gunna be fun as hell to drive
your tuner will find a nice power level for you.. dont go in there and be like "i only want 300"
i'm sure he will tune to the fuel avalible in your area... what you make is what you make.. who knows.. it may be 400hp.. which would be fine.. just dont drive like a tool and it'll last...
either way its gunna be fun as hell to drive
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01-07-2006, 10:25 PM
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it has to last...thats why i was going conservative on the power numbers....
One more thing, if im' going to get a manual boost controller, should i do that before the tune or does it matter?? Its going to be from the stock 8psi to 11psi....
One more thing, if im' going to get a manual boost controller, should i do that before the tune or does it matter?? Its going to be from the stock 8psi to 11psi....
01-07-2006, 11:53 PM
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Re: (Schister66)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schister66 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it has to last...thats why i was going conservative on the power numbers....
One more thing, if im' going to get a manual boost controller, should i do that before the tune or does it matter?? Its going to be from the stock 8psi to 11psi....</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would stay under 300whp
doesn't matter when you put the boost controller in. you just have to tune for the highest boost your going to run...
One more thing, if im' going to get a manual boost controller, should i do that before the tune or does it matter?? Its going to be from the stock 8psi to 11psi....</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would stay under 300whp
doesn't matter when you put the boost controller in. you just have to tune for the highest boost your going to run...
01-09-2006, 09:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbosi03 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I would stay under 300whp
doesn't matter when you put the boost controller in. you just have to tune for the highest boost your going to run... </TD></TR></TABLE>
how can you justify that? if you get tuned for 15 psi and run 6 psi...youll be overly rich.
before you get tuned, you should have your whole set-up complete. no temporary things that would have any effect on power, i.e. downpipe size. if you want the car to be reliable, which so far it seems like you do, you have to kind of go *****-to-the wall.
the setup seems solid, just don't get too antzy and get ahead of yourself
I would stay under 300whp
doesn't matter when you put the boost controller in. you just have to tune for the highest boost your going to run... </TD></TR></TABLE>
how can you justify that? if you get tuned for 15 psi and run 6 psi...youll be overly rich.
before you get tuned, you should have your whole set-up complete. no temporary things that would have any effect on power, i.e. downpipe size. if you want the car to be reliable, which so far it seems like you do, you have to kind of go *****-to-the wall.
the setup seems solid, just don't get too antzy and get ahead of yourself
01-09-2006, 09:51 AM
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k i just talked to the tuner today and he said that with my set up tuned on Crome that i could make 260-275whp on the turbo that i have....any thoughts??
Also, should i think about getting a bigger IC??
Also, should i think about getting a bigger IC??
01-09-2006, 10:19 AM
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sorry if i steal this thread but just have a few questions.
What model is the GSR engine as we have differnt names here in the UK.
Also if you have a boost controller, i thought you could choose how much boost you want to run in what ever situation? or if you get it tiuned to run at a certain PSi do you have to leave it at that in order to run reliably?
What model is the GSR engine as we have differnt names here in the UK.
Also if you have a boost controller, i thought you could choose how much boost you want to run in what ever situation? or if you get it tiuned to run at a certain PSi do you have to leave it at that in order to run reliably?
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Re: (Schister66)
Put the boost controller on before you go tune.
Once tuned you can turn the boost down if you want, you will not run rich. For example, 11psi could be your max but you could run 7-8 to get better gas mileage.
the boost controller will let you turn the boost UP from whatever the wastegate is set to. You cannot go lower than the wastegate spring/diaphragm setting.
Once tuned you can turn the boost down if you want, you will not run rich. For example, 11psi could be your max but you could run 7-8 to get better gas mileage.
the boost controller will let you turn the boost UP from whatever the wastegate is set to. You cannot go lower than the wastegate spring/diaphragm setting.
01-09-2006, 11:01 AM
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Re: (Schister66)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schister66 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what i was thinking was to run the 8psi wastegate and use the boost controller at times....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Same thing i do, run stock wastegate for the street since i am daily driving the car, and when i go out or take it to the track, i crank it up.
Same thing i do, run stock wastegate for the street since i am daily driving the car, and when i go out or take it to the track, i crank it up.
01-09-2006, 11:41 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yehiknowrite »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how can you justify that? if you get tuned for 15 psi and run 6 psi...youll be overly rich.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not quite right, from what I understand (which is very little) the tuner tunes the afr and timing based on the rpm and engine load (manifold pressure, boost pressure in this case). The load on the engine (whether it be 7psi or 30psi) will refer the ecu/ems/program on the chip to a certain afr and timing that correlates to that specific load and rpm. My understanding of this is very primative, but I'm sure that someone will correct me on any of my misunderstandings.
btw - nice bov, why didn't you use it yourself???
Not quite right, from what I understand (which is very little) the tuner tunes the afr and timing based on the rpm and engine load (manifold pressure, boost pressure in this case). The load on the engine (whether it be 7psi or 30psi) will refer the ecu/ems/program on the chip to a certain afr and timing that correlates to that specific load and rpm. My understanding of this is very primative, but I'm sure that someone will correct me on any of my misunderstandings.
btw - nice bov, why didn't you use it yourself???
01-09-2006, 11:51 AM
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Also when it comes to tuning there isnt always going to be a huge amount of fuel being dumped into the motor due to different maps and psi levels, maps meant for high cam and low cam(if vtec is present) and maps for boost and no boost, so if you go into boost and its on a low setting it is going to be rich, but if you dont boost alot on your low setting you are going to be basically running the same AFR's no matter what the boost level is, this is ofcourse if the car is tuned properly
01-09-2006, 12:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yehiknowrite »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
how can you justify that? if you get tuned for 15 psi and run 6 psi...youll be overly rich.
before you get tuned, you should have your whole set-up complete. no temporary things that would have any effect on power, i.e. downpipe size. if you want the car to be reliable, which so far it seems like you do, you have to kind of go *****-to-the wall.
the setup seems solid, just don't get too antzy and get ahead of yourself </TD></TR></TABLE>
AFR tuning is based on RPM and engine load. If the car is tuned up from 6 to 15 PSI, then there would be appropriate maps for regions in between.
how can you justify that? if you get tuned for 15 psi and run 6 psi...youll be overly rich.
before you get tuned, you should have your whole set-up complete. no temporary things that would have any effect on power, i.e. downpipe size. if you want the car to be reliable, which so far it seems like you do, you have to kind of go *****-to-the wall.
the setup seems solid, just don't get too antzy and get ahead of yourself
</TD></TR></TABLE>AFR tuning is based on RPM and engine load. If the car is tuned up from 6 to 15 PSI, then there would be appropriate maps for regions in between.
01-09-2006, 12:22 PM
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So if my wastegate spring is set at 8psi. i can run that as an everyday car... but on the track and can just use the boost controller and boost to say 15psi or what ever is safe for the car?
01-10-2006, 04:37 PM
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Re: (J1A1H)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J1A1H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So if my wastegate spring is set at 8psi. i can run that as an everyday car... but on the track and can just use the boost controller and boost to say 15psi or what ever is safe for the car?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, as long as the car is tuned to (and I would suggest a bit beyond, just in case you overboost) the max boost psi you intend to use it will be fine.
Yes, as long as the car is tuned to (and I would suggest a bit beyond, just in case you overboost) the max boost psi you intend to use it will be fine.
01-10-2006, 05:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KeyserSoze »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
btw - nice bov, why didn't you use it yourself??? </TD></TR></TABLE>
had another one laying around
. now what if youre using a standalone ems, ie aem ems. if the ecu doesnt offer self-dependent corrections, wouldn't that throw the tune off?
btw - nice bov, why didn't you use it yourself??? </TD></TR></TABLE>
had another one laying around
. now what if youre using a standalone ems, ie aem ems. if the ecu doesnt offer self-dependent corrections, wouldn't that throw the tune off?