God I know this is bad but I really don't feel like forking out almost 800$ for a wastegate but I want 60mm so I never have to even think about creap.

This is the shotty *** rip off, do you think it would hold together?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...sting

this is the real one

http://store.yahoo.com/turbo-s....html


I've never put anything fake on my car before so I don't know if I'd be able to buy it. It just agrivates me that hks charges so much for that wastegate .

 

i am sorry but me, something as critical as that, there is no substitute for anything fake. on something like a blow off valve maybe, but if you run into a creep spike issue with that. eh. i wouldnt chance it.

just a side note, why you need such a big valve?

 

For the price, why not fork out a tad bit more for a TiAL 44mm wastegate or something?

 

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if the hks sty wastegate works 60mm is more than 44mm .

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostedcivicsir &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am sorry but me, something as critical as that, there is no substitute for anything fake. on something like a blow off valve maybe, but if you run into a creep spike issue with that. eh. i wouldnt chance it.

just a side note, why you need such a big valve?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree, thats why I'm so sketchy about buying it. If it malfunctions my motor is toast. . Just wondering if anyone has any input on the workings of the ssac rip off wastegate

and I want a big valve so I don't have to worry about creep, ever.

 

Yeah but I don't seem to see the need of a 60mm wastegate? How much power are you going/trying to be making? Seems like a TiAL 44mm is more then needed.

 

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I'm getting creap with a 38mm. 44mm is only 6 more mm. i feel that a 44mil would help with my creap issue but a 60mm would completely eradicate the issue altogether. You cannot deny that if I get a 60mm I would have NO creap.

 

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I'm getting creap with a 38mm. 44mm is only 6 more mm. i feel that a 44mil would help with my creap issue but a 60mm would completely eradicate the issue altogether. You cannot deny that if I get a 60mm I would have NO creap.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Remember there is always a first but I also think the same way it would be better to just bite the bullet the first time and make sure it isnt the gate?If that doesnt fix the problem then either way you would of spent the money on a 44 ?Just my .02

 

You have realize that 44 is much bigger than 38mm. I 've seen plenty of 44mm wg on 700whp+ cars. My setup will have 40mm wg and I know of sure I wont have any problems. boost creep also has to with wg positioning. make sure u have right diameter pipe for wg.

 

i have heard very good things about their wastegates... while not the best parts, the quality is decent and will work

 

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I honestly think the issue is with my tial gate because when i get creap it does'nt hold, it literaly flutters in boost. I think its an issue with the diaphram.

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Remember there is always a first but I also think the same way it would be better to just bite the bullet the first time and make sure it isnt the gate?If that doesnt fix the problem then either way you would of spent the money on a 44 ?Just my .02</TD></TR></TABLE>

always a first for what? if what does'nt fix what. I'm not following you. Regardless I've swapped everything else out and I know it's not the wastegate placement

here's some old pictures



here's a pretty recent pic

 

Buy the one on ebay, it the diagphragm is good then go with it, if not, resell it and lose 10-20 bucks.. its worth the risk imo to save money..

A wastegate isn't any more complicated than a BOV lol.. its a frickin spring/diagphragm/valve for cryin out loud..

 

id rock it tried the 46mm ssauto and its working fine.

 

What I meant was that you can still get the biggest gate and get creep weirder things have happened and as far as you wg placement it looks really good. I meant to say that if you buy the biggest gate first you eliminate the gate as the problem but if you go with the 44 and still get creep then you are back where you started and sorry for not making myself clear before.I think you shouldnt buy the ebay one because if you have a problem with it then you are out the cash spent on it and the money you will have to spend on the new one and nice setup by the way

 

i'll be running the 60mm EBAY gate. a bunch of local V8 guys are running them and love them just as much as the real one

SORRY! i just realized my misprint there!


Modified by s13-t at 12:06 PM 2/4/2006

 

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I didnt know it was out already!!!

 

been on ebay for a GOOD while

 

You could always go dual 38mm

 

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Wastegates - Facts and Fiction

The more powerful the engine, the bigger the wastegate you need.
This is one of the more popular misconceptions. Use this simple guide before setting out to find the biggest wastegate you can afford.

Big Turbo/Low Boost = Bigger Wastegate
Big Turbo/High Boost = Smaller Wastegate
Small Turbo/High Boost = Smaller Wastegate
Small Turbo/Low Boost = Bigger Wastegate

The larger the wastegate valve diameter, the bigger the flow.
While the valve diameter is, without a doubt, an important part of the flow volume, equally important, but often misunderstood, is the importance of the valve travel. When comparing wastegates, don't be guided only by the valve size, check the amount of valve lift. In some cases it's more beneficial to have a wastegate with a smaller valve and long valve travel than one with a large valve diameter and minimal lift.
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care to show me the 60mm tial? i cant find it

 

I would also think that your ems should have boost spike protection and hit it with the boost cut, so there would be no reason to not go with it. If you buy it and it doesnt work right away, o well. If you buy it and it works forever awesome. If you buy it and it works for a while and then you have issues with it, the ems will be there to protect you. Thats assuming you have an ems with that enabled.

 

The 60mm Tial does exist. It was made as a 1 off prototype some time ago. How do I know? I was at my friends shop maybe early in 2005 when Greg the owner of Tial called him because he was calling around and asking tial distributors of such a thing existed. The distributors called tial and then tial in turn called Chris directly. As far as I know there aren't that many around and they were supposed to be in production this year. I believe Chris has one at the shop and it goes for 1200 but don't hold me to that exactly. I think if you check out some web sites from Australia you'll see there might be ones for sale.

That's all I know on the Tial 60mm gate, its does exist but almost like a 1952 Mantle Rookie card, rare and $

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Riake &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would also think that your ems should have boost spike protection and hit it with the boost cut, so there would be no reason to not go with it. If you buy it and it doesnt work right away, o well. If you buy it and it works forever awesome. If you buy it and it works for a while and then you have issues with it, the ems will be there to protect you. Thats assuming you have an ems with that enabled. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah I have an aem ems but I've spiked to 1.3 bar before and it just powers on like no tommorow. But I also have a stock honda map sensor

 

Since you already have 38mm, I would just run another 38mm if u have room for it. Another tial is about the same price and you already know the quality.

Things like that look attempting but I would stay away from them. I've tried their products before and I regret it.