mudpuppy4life

i have a 96 accord with the f22b in it and i was thinking of doing a high boost build or doing a fully built N/A JDM h22 with stock compression on maybe 7 pounds from a jackson supercharger im on here to find out what would be a better build i know the boosted f22 will have more power but i want something with a good bit of torque and hook up thats why i was thinking the h22 build thanks for your input

mudpuppy4life

bump...i know there is someone who can answer this question on here

wolve

boost the f22, it will outperform a supercharged h22 swap and be cheaper too

interesting read here if you want to up the boost later on :
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-accord-1990-2002-2/turbo-f22-build-h22-rods-4g63-pistons-low-compression-2546957/

h22-eg-hatch

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No. Your wrong.!!

Stock h22 makes 180ish hp n 160ish torque.
On 6 lbs of boost I made 299hp 204 torque on my H. Bone stock

Stock f22 makes 140ish hp n 140ish torque.
It will take triple the boost to get anywhere close to the H series
Plus the mounts are the same.

U will spend prob 500$-700$ less on the F swap.
But if your gunna have to boost 20 psi just to see some #,s. Is it really worth it.?

H22FTW...!!!

mudpuppy4life

dont have to swap in the f22.....but i was thinking the same thing with the h22...BOOST THE HELL OUT OF IT but what about the h22 head on the f22 block under boost? is it a good investment or a waist of time?

Julio@Bisimoto

Both motors have a lot of potential but the F22A actually has much better flowing head than both those motors

http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=87819

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkKP63ToUHg

extralargenog

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MUCH better?? LOL, No. Not out of the box it doesnt. ;O|



Not to mention that video you posted... That car has yet to make 700, and when it does it wiill be in a turbo AND nitrous to get there..

Julio@Bisimoto

Only the exhaust side needs bit of work which does not cost much for a mild port. The intake side is killer out the box!

And with a full port and polish that head is a monster and will out flow even a ported b or h

You got to admit this car is very impressive. It made 522whp at only 23psi on e85 with an old school T66 turbo and stock intake manifold. Imagine the potential with a nice billet turbo and intake manifold like a golden eagle would easy make over 600 same boost levels.

And to top it all off he is even only running a Bisimoto street cam in it. If he stepped it up to one of our more aggressive race cam he would really make some sick power!

No one yet has unlocked the full potential of the F22A with a turbo setup. Even Bisi's all-motor makes almost 500whp

A worked turbo F22A would just be AWESOME!

extralargenog

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Meh, my H with stock cams (and no more than a casting cleaning in the ports) makes 520 at 17 PSI on pump 92 on an old 67mm. No meth, no trickery. TWKD95CD5 has a F22B1 well into the 600s in an Accord, only thing holding it from more is the EBC. Im familliar with the build you posted. It hasnt made 7. YET. Yes its a very cool car. Ive been following it alot longer than you I assure you.

IIRC that head has a **** TON of work done to it as well.

Agreed the F22Ax intake ports are huge, head still doesnt flow as well as th H, and with equal work on both heads... It never does.

The OP will make more power on the boosted H per $. Im not bashing the F, if you do your homework, I held the second highest boosted power on the stock F block for a couple years.

Throw a set of H series Eagle rods and evo stroker pistons at it (5omm F22s only need apply) and take advantage of not having to sleeve it, but there are ways around that too (for the H). Im sure you know....

Julio@Bisimoto

Sounds like you have a good setup. H22's do take very well to turbo setups. There is a lot of information and data on doing so with so many people that have already done both stock/mild builds and competitive built race cars.

Of course we can argue all day of what motor is better lol and I am NOT saying the F22 is the best it just has a lot of potential that many are unaware off which is information I am sharing and I am glad you have done these setups as well in the past but I am sure you have not invested as much as others with other power plants.

Like I said since no one has built a turbo f22a setup to be a full blown competitive race car for example for either SFWD or Outlaw there has been no real data developed on the full potential of this motor.

The reason why is people are not willing to experiment with new combinations is because there are already other proven setups that parts are much easier to purchase and are available to the mass market. Comes to show why the fastest and quickest turbo Honda's today are still dominated by the common B-series.

The F22A has only been done with an Pro-All-motor car which is Bisi's car that still holds many records like All-motor highest MPH trap speeds and quickest uni-body chassis which comes to show the F22 can be worked to be very competitive. I would love to see Bisi invest on a full tube chassis like the other pro all-motor cars so he can put down some even better times, but of course it is not worth the investment in a class that doesn't have events available for.

We are getting way of topic BTW I was just putting my input for doing a Turbo F22 since mudpuppy4life was asking for opinions people had between doing a high boost F22 or a built H22 supercharged

mudpuppy4life

if i just use the f22a head with some head work and mild bore will the f22b block need any work done to the oil passages?

th3pwn3r

I vote for F22 and I didn't read this thread =/

Julio@Bisimoto

It will be a direct bolt on the F22b and f22a share the same block just head is differnt

mudpuppy4life

cool! who do you recomend for head work and valvetrain?

mudpuppy4life

bump.....send the head to bisi and use S2 valvetrain and bisi stage 3 cam? or just use all bisi valve train? what do yall think

wolve

NO, i'm NOT WRONG

it's easier to make power on a turbof22 then on a superchargedH22
especially when there's a budget!

that was the question asked...

Julio@Bisimoto

I recommend Bisimoto valvetrain because it has the correct seat pressures to prevent valve float as well won't damage the camshaft or other valve train components. Give me a call at the shop ill hook you up with a package deal

mudpuppy4life

hell yea julio i will have to give a call to yall! ask to speak to you? thanks mike!

mudpuppy4life

correct!!! im thinkin about sendin my head off to bisi to work there magic

extralargenog

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too much money to spend on your goal. save ot and spend it elsewhere

h2b4dr

I have an h2b and wanna make it supercharger but idk what pieces and work needs to be Done to make the convertion someone help me please

alaoiH22

in my opinion i would turbocharge the h22. I got 95 accord with h22 swap i had installed a turbocharger system at 5psi just to be safe.

twkdCD595

Well that and not killing transmissions on T1's dyno after tuning to put up new bigger glory pull numbers since its make more power/ torque than ever... hahahaha.

At 33# peak boost seen so far it was at 75% wg duty cycle, not sure where it could go.

h2b4dr

like how much money would i have to spend if i wanted to put a supercharger in my stock h22?