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Old 11-26-2011, 08:48 AM
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Hey, I'm running a golden eagle 2.0L ITR motor with a full-race ramhorn kit and a precision 5857bb. The setup will make around 425-450whp on 94 octane and AEM meth injection. I don't want to run race gas and my shop is convinced this is the highest I should run on pump 94 to prevent detonation. With this 94/meth setup, am I able to run a Nitrous kit as well? I want to run a 125 or 150 shot just for 5th gear, but I'm unsure how a nitrous kit along with my setup would work, or if it's even possible.

The motor itself can handle the power no problem, I'm just curious if it was possible running up to 550-600hp with a NOS shot in 5th using my 94/meth setup. Any advice or is it a no-go?
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Naw dude, naw. might blow the welds on the intake.
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i built an lsv 2 liter on pump thats making 473 whp and 308 tq 91 octane . we are gonna put it on the unit this week . the tuner said it should see over 500 whp once we get a regulator on it we are running the stock one still. bosch 1600cc on a walbro 255. stock b17a1 cams on a peakboost replica manifold .thats over 500 without the nitrous on shell 91
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with the methanol i dont see why you couldnt run the 125 .you are only adding 31.25 hp per cylinder
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I had a friend with a evo8 made 568 on 93 pump and meth injection. Also have a few other subaru friends over 500whp on pump/meth injection.

I wouldn't do 500hp on just pump, but I think u can do it with meth.

I think its stupid though, so when your meth runs out you have to lower your boost just the same as the bottle.
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Why do you need nitrious? Why do you need more than 450hp on the street? I have heard of guys running nitrous on a car that lags a lot. They use it to spool the turbo. Other than that nitrous shouldn't be needed on turbo car. With the meth injection. Your octane should be enough to push to at least 500. But hey that's just my opinion. If you want to run NOS. Run 2 bottles.
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I'm totally satisfied with 450whp on a regular basis, that's even way more than I would normally need. I live in Vancouver, I don't want some AMG or exotic to pull on me in 5th, so I want to run a nitrous shot but I'm afraid my fuel octane isn't high enough to support the 550-600hp while the nitrous is spraying.
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Default Re: Turbo build: 450whp on pump gas with nitrous?

Originally Posted by Joreus
I'm totally satisfied with 450whp on a regular basis, that's even way more than I would normally need. I live in Vancouver, I don't want some AMG or exotic to pull on me in 5th, so I want to run a nitrous shot but I'm afraid my fuel octane isn't high enough to support the 550-600hp while the nitrous is spraying.
YOu'll be fighting to control the car more than having to worry about some "exotic". A 450whp Honda is nothing to laugh at with the power to weight ratio of basically a 600cc Motorcycle.

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Originally Posted by TheShodan
YOu'll be fighting to control the car more than having to worry about some "exotic". A 450whp Honda is nothing to laugh at with the power to weight ratio of basically a 600cc Motorcycle.

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i wouldn't go around pushing it in 5th gear, that's a good way to blow up a motor. EGT's go through the roof.

my car makes 480whp on 93. i'd rather keep it simple without meth injection, it's just another thing to look after.
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Default Re: Turbo build: 450whp on pump gas with nitrous?

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i wouldn't go around pushing it in 5th gear, that's a good way to blow up a motor. EGT's go through the roof.

my car makes 480whp on 93. i'd rather keep it simple without meth injection, it's just another thing to look after.
Agreed....i wouldnt push it too long in 5th gear. For reasons he stated above.

i have nitrous w/turbo only a 35 shot on 93 pump.. With a good nitrous control set-up like that in the S300 and AEm unit you will be much safer to use... you make a ton more power with turbo then a N/A application...To get another 100 HP you really only need a 50 Shot. The cooling affect of the nitrous is what doubles the power compared to a N/A application. plus youre going to have a huge torque hit once it engages

Like everyone else stated its kinda useless...at 70mph my car literally breaks loose to redline when the nitrous engages and thats only a 35 shot... anything over 450 hp really starts getting useless on the street.

dont get me wrong its Sooo fun....but thats really all its for in my set-up as there isnt too much of a practical use for it. i think in a turbo applciation depending on turbo size youre prob better off using it to spool the turbo. This is how i orginally had it set-up, after the motor got sleeved i decided to have it re-tuned to redline with more boost.
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yeah i also agree 450 is really where it starts to get to be pretty excessive on the street. 3rd spins to the limiter and 4th is pulling all over the lane even with a limited slip.

most 450hp civics trap mid to high 120mph from what ive been seeing which is right up there with vipers, most Ferrari's, most porsches, zo6's, gtr's etc
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With your set-up if you haven't proved the point by the top of 4th buy a Bugatti Veyron, I really can't believe I'm posting in this thread.
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You can probably hit close to 500whp safely on 93 if the setup is good.
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This is true, I haven't driven 450whp. I suppose if that's the case then it should be plenty to keep me satisfied while screwing around on the street/mountain highways. I'll see how it goes in real world situations and then go from there.
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Default Re: Turbo build: 450whp on pump gas with nitrous?

Originally Posted by TheShodan
YOu'll be fighting to control the car more than having to worry about some "exotic". A 450whp Honda is nothing to laugh at with the power to weight ratio of basically a 600cc Motorcycle.

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Originally Posted by Joreus
This is true, I haven't driven 450whp. I suppose if that's the case then it should be plenty to keep me satisfied while screwing around on the street/mountain highways. I'll see how it goes in real world situations and then go from there.
i was the same way never having a car at 400+ when i was tuning my car for the first time i keep telling my tuner i want 500 i want 500 i never got there things went wrong fuel issue it took me three different times going to tune before the car started showing power first was 330hp which was really fun on the street nxt went and got 419hp drove it on the street and never looked back long story short 400 is fun on the street if uve never driven one trust me you'll be more then happy every pull will put a smile on ur face plus 95% of the time u wont see another honda that will keep up with you you'll be racing vettes mustangs camaros **** like that even a bike lol srry for the run on sentece fail
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Default Re: Turbo build: 450whp on pump gas with nitrous?

Originally Posted by Joreus
Hey, I'm running a golden eagle 2.0L ITR motor with a full-race ramhorn kit and a precision 5857bb. The setup will make around 425-450whp on 94 octane and AEM meth injection. I don't want to run race gas and my shop is convinced this is the highest I should run on pump 94 to prevent detonation. With this 94/meth setup, am I able to run a Nitrous kit as well? I want to run a 125 or 150 shot just for 5th gear, but I'm unsure how a nitrous kit along with my setup would work, or if it's even possible.

The motor itself can handle the power no problem, I'm just curious if it was possible running up to 550-600hp with a NOS shot in 5th using my 94/meth setup. Any advice or is it a no-go?

125-150 nitrous shot in fifth gear? What are you trying to do, break the sound barrier?
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I've gone through a few different heart transplants trying different things, I just want to finally be happy with this setup haha. Iunno, :1stworldproblems:
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You won't need nitrous to do what you're doing.
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450whp is a 125-130 trap car. Thats 600cc bike range with a great rider. This is 500whp in 4th gear to give you an idea of how usless it is on normal tires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V-Dm...el_video_title
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time too switch fuel
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450 on the street is a handfull. With out radials and boost by gear, its pretty worthless. Get it to hook and itll be a rocket.
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450 on the street is a handfull. With out radials and boost by gear, its pretty worthless. Get it to hook and itll be a rocket.
Hehe. boost by gear. Not that needed if you just know how to use the best controller; your brain, and your foot... Balance that correctly, and you'll have no problem.


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