flyingduck04

I am fixing to run a B18B with a t3/t4 turbo and injectors, which tuner would you recommend. Uberdata,crome,hondata??

adseguy

They all work the same way

In order of cheapest to most expensive:
Uberdata
Crome
Hondata

In order of easiest to work with to hardest
Hondata
Crome
Uberdata

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pissedoffsol

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In order of cheapest to most expensive:
Uberdata
Crome
Hondata

In order of easiest to work with to hardest
Hondata
Crome
Uberdata

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i would have to disagree with the ease ordering... hondata has been nothing but a pain in the ***--- and its not the money factor. i have the full deal.
crome pro is my choice right now. $150 bucks, and its super great.

therealPROJEKTEG

i agree, i like crome pro much more than the s200

dustin

Hondata has much better datalogging, and you don't need some hacked-up cell phone cable thing to use it... But other than that crome seems to work pretty much the same as hondata.

adseguy

You can bicker and pick little things about each, but in the end I think my ease of use order is pretty valid. Most tuners won't touch Uberdata or Crome and Hondata has very few problems. Now that the s300 is coming out everything else will just look dumb.

EJ1 wilcox

I use Uberdata...

It's fairly easy to get the hang of and a good option for a cheap *** DIY kind of person like myself.

Quad-Damag

im a big crome pro fan

BodyKits NW

You can get hondata REALLY CHEAP right now. With the S300 coming out, there are quite a few people selling their s200 pretty damn cheap.

Finland

Hondata is the way to go.

dornon13

if you are near huntsville, I recommend going to Trackmasters for a hondata tune. I can give you more information if you want to talk my AIM is chris dornon13

ps i am also considering getting rid of my s200b with all the bells and whistles.

therealPROJEKTEG

teeheehee...............

dustin

All these uberdata posts would be neat if the damn uberdata software worked right. If you want to use uberdata, use crome. Crome &gt; Uberdata.

dornon13

Ill agree to that one.

EJ1 wilcox

Does Crome have a boost dependant closed loop disable?

That's the one feature I wish Uberdata had, I know I can run in open loop or use the script from the Uberdata forum (which has problems), but I like the gas mileage of running closed loop.

I'll switch right now if Crome has it.

dustin

If it does, it's some hack/"script" someone wrote... it's not in the base software. I switched to Hondata for this exact reason...

FOrSfEd

I can never get crome to work... so I have stuck with uber. Wish there was a better how to on crome like there is on uber cause i'm sure there is something simple I am missing.

dustin

Well crome only works with boost on the P30... so you have to start with the P30 map and then change the scalars etc to use a GSR map (copy and paste). Then it should work good....

crx-treme

im also mixed up between what tuner to use. are uberdata/crome/hondata all plug and play? upgrade to obd1? ......

pissedoffsol

no EMS is plug and play exactly... but they all do use all the oem wiring.

yes, obd1.

if you want obd0, look at turboedit for free, or spend a grand for zdyne.

blundar

Having used everything being discussed here extensively:

Hondata Pros:
-Proven track record
-Tons of tuners nationwide (worldwide even)
-Solid, comprehensive tools
-Excellent availability of base tunes
-Commercial support and upgrades
Hondata Cons:
-No gear adjustment. This may sound like nothing, but it plays havoc with larger injectors. Horrible with 1000cc on the street.
-Improper / poor control over IAT adjustment
-Support for MAP sensors focused on stock + GM3bar - moto2.5 / GM 2 / AEM-Motec 5bar mediocrely supported
-Mediocre support for rejection of erroneous datalogging values
-Price

Uberdata Pros:
-Free
-Works better than a FMU
-Decent community for support
Uberdata Cons:
-No manual (although many help guides)
-Improper / poor control over IAT adjustment
-Poor support for non-OEM MAP sensors
-Poor availability of TRUSTWORTHY base maps
-Poor datalogging averaging, statistical rejection
-Many important features (TPS tip in, close start, main fuel adjustments for example) do not work as they should.
-Uncertain maintenance / upgrades
-Newer software without long term proven track record

Crome Pros:
-Excellent support for wide range of MAP sensors (stock, 2bar, 2.5bar, 3bar, roll-your-own)
-Most major features necessary for tuning work well and bug free including fuel adjustments and gear correction.
-All editing features available in free version
-Most advanced datalogging and statistical rejection algorithms make for most effective street tuning program
-Consistent and clean user interface
-No "per-car" licensing fees
-Actively being developed
Crome Cons:
-No manual (although many help guides
-Improper / poor control over IAT adjustment
-Full version with datalogging $150 user / $450 tuner.
-Newer software without long term proven track record

I use Crome almost exclusively for tuning. I have very few issues with it. Most revolve around handling of disabled sensors. Some might gripe about some of the best functionality being available in scripts as opposed to the main package, but that's just part of the way things are done. A script management/organizational structure is in the works. Lot of momentum behind this.

I've used Uberdata a lot. It is a solid package, and is great for "simple" setups (stock MAP sensor, 10psi or less boost, 450cc or smaller injectors). It falls down with non-OEM MAP sensors and really big injectors.

I've used Hondata a good deal. The amount of information availble with the datalogger is great. The smooth running bug free nature of the userspace tools is great. The slow response to add new features and fix bugs is poor for commercial software. The availability of tuners nationwide is great. If all the S300s features are delivered as hyped, it should be great.

omahaturbocivic

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Uberdata Cons:
-Improper / poor control over IAT adjustment
-Poor support for non-OEM MAP sensors

-Poor datalogging averaging, statistical rejection
-Many important features (TPS tip in, close start, main fuel adjustments for example) do not work as they should.


I've used Uberdata a lot. It is a solid package, and is great for "simple" setups (stock MAP sensor, 10psi or less boost, 450cc or smaller injectors). It falls down with non-OEM MAP sensors and really big injectors.

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I dont suppose you can expand more on your comparison of uberdata and crome with big injectors and 3 bar? I actually think 3 bar in uberdata (version 1.70) works pretty good, my car drives and idles like stock and it seems to respond to all changes well, the tune seems pretty solid to me. From what I have seen it seems that people find it easier to get a closer initial basemap but the end result with both once fully tuned should be the same but instead people get frustrated and dont spend much time fully tuning with uberdata.

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This is my biggest gripe and it seems to be the same for all three. If I tune my car with 800cc injectors during a warm day I will have the afr flat in the mid 11:1s, then if the temp drops 20 degrees after the sun goes down the ecu seems to overcompensate and my afr becomes a full 1+ point richer and my car starts to choke, it gets hotter the car starts to run lean. I would try crome but it does not seem like its any better with IAT correction.

Otherwise my car runs pretty good with uberdata and I am very skeptical that it would run $150 dollars better on crome pro, and without more evidence I doubt I will risk it to find out its not because I am poor and have a list of other things I would rather have if I had an extra $150. But I am open to listen if somebody knowledgable thinks they can convince me otherwise.

dustin

Well all I can say is I am getting the s300 asap. doug is going to get more of my money... oh well

I'll have purchased every hondata system so far, plus AEM... hehe

blundar

Crome: run boost tools, configure map sensor, fuel tools control for injector size, boost comp 120% eff, retard 0.5 deg/psi, minor touchups to ignition, done.

Uberdata: select 3bar, reconfigure your scalars, ... ... ...

I got non-honda MAP sensors working and car started first try with Crome in less than five minutes. I never got the GM 3bar running right in UD after half an hour of fussing with it. I don't doubt that once you jump throught the undocumented hoops of fire, Uberdata runs fine with a 3bar. I just couldn't figure it out and couldn't find a documented howto to do it. I should have been more specific. Sorry.

The bigger injector comp stuff - TPS, cold start, etc. gave me fits with bigger injectors. It only got worse the bigger the injectors got.

adseguy

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Not bashing at all, but I got 3 bar to work great and I use my own scalars. This way I have even more precision then Crome can since i don't need anything above 18 PSI I just scale them for 18PSI tops and thats it. The trick in Uberdata (just like Crome BTW) is to not touch the first and last scalar since that tells the ECU the range it has to work with. So I go from 18 directly to 28 PSI, but what do I care I only boost under that . This was just to clear it up for anyone reading