t25 turbo setup...what do i need to get in the way of tunign/ fuel? do i need a new fmu? and i wsa gonna get a greddy e-manage....are they good?...i was lookin to buy a new in box emanage off of ebay, is that all i would need if runin stock injectors and such? does it include all needed cables and such?

 

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All you need is the proper sized injectors, fuel pump & a electronic fuel management system such as a chipped obd1 ecu running crome, hondata, uberdata, neptune etc.

 

what if obd 1 is not an option

 

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Then run AEM ems :-)

 

**** if only i could...haha so emanage is no good?

 

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I wouldnt run emanage unless I had to.

 

**** so without 2000$ or obd 1 what are my options? i want good tuning so ill have a reliable car

 

You can run OBDI on a normally OBDII car. A lot of people do it. It's just a harness.

The best bang for your Buck will be a Crome/Uberdata/Neptune system. AEM is good but too expensive and everything else is a little half *** and not good for above 6-7PSI.

 

Rule of thumb FMU= JUNK the emanage doesnt give you enough adjustment for most turbo setups. Depending on your motor and how much boost you are planning on running than you might be able to get away with a SAFCII or a VAFCII . If you are just running a stock motor with a mild turbo setup which is what you sound like you are doing than i would just get some DSM injectors and run a VAFCII . You are going to need someone to tune it for you because it will run rich as **** with the stock program and DSM injectors. Make a plan on someone tuning it before you install either one of these items. I dont understand why OBD 1 is not an option. It is always an option because they make conversion harnesses for all different systems. I would just reccomend getting a chipped OBD 1 ecu and call it a day. get some one to tune it with chrome and you will be good. The only way I can see OBD 1 not being an option is if you just dont want to fork over the money needed to convert which isnt very much anyways.
thanks
-Drew

 

obd 1 makes cars impossible to ever sell....and i cant get it inspected

 

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that is why you keep the stock injectors and ecu to get it inspected... And then let it be someone else's problem. That is the most cost effective way to do it.

 

it's a common misconception on this and many forums that you can't make power on an emange, and that they are no different than a afc. These are wrong. I'm currently making over 408 hp and 313 tq on an emanage. 11.7:1 a/f no detonation shown on the plugs on 20 psi of boost. There are limitations to the emange, but they are usually higher than the power levels people make.

 

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so if you were going to be building a daily driver would you have a problem in putting in an afc and having it reliable?
ps. sorry for the thread jack but id like to here from some one that's done it,and not just from the guys that run standalone and look down on afc hacks

 

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so if you were going to be building a daily driver would you have a problem in putting in an afc and having it reliable?
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I ran the afc in my car and in others for a while. I believe the emange can control timing as well, but I am not 100 percent how to use it, I will be using it on a 240 soon with an sr20 swap. I just think that there isn't a real need for an emanage with a honda, maybe I am dead wrong here. If it can control ignition as well as uberdata or crome, then there is nothing wrong with it.

But the AFC hack I know cannot control ignition, so why bother, spend the same price for uberdata or crome as you would an afc and an MSD retard box.

 

i got an ecu from racingchips.com running with 440 cc injectors, 255 fuel pump, no problems, it runs the injectors like stock until boost, i get 30 mpg and when i hit the gas the tires brake loose!

a conversion harness is like $100, the ecu is around 200

 

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so if you were going to be building a daily driver would you have a problem in putting in an afc and having it reliable?
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running an afc hack, maybe. Depends on how much boost. An afc can't control ignition timing, yet the fact that lots of people have done it successfully over the years says it can be done. But without the ability to adjust timing it's very limited.

But an afc can't be compared to an emanage. The emanage can control fuel injectors by manipulating map sensor voltage, like an afc, but it doesn't have to. You can increase fuel by increasing the injectors duty cycle. And you can control timing +/- 20 degrees. Doing it with an emange just isn't as easy as a stand alone. You have to clamp the map sensor at 3v and then from that point on write your own fuel and ignition maps. It just gets a little confusing that's all.

 

well im obviously not gonna be doin the tuning myself....so is e-manage the way to go if the shops tunin it? who would be able to tune uberdata or chrome? and why will it not work on my obdII ecu?

 

I can set you up with NepTune for less than an afc or emanage, and it'll do ALOT more. Give me call at the shop if you're interested in getting tuned.

Tony

 

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Tony
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^^^ solves all your porblems.

Uberdata and crome work off of OBD1 code. And plus not many people even chip OBDII ecus, let alone have a rom editor for them. That is why they don't work for OBDII ecus.

 

whats neptune? never herd of it....so does it work with obdII?

 

No it still uses OBD1, honestly just convert to OBD1, it will solve all your tuning problems. Keep the stock injectors and stock OBD2 ecu. And put them in for inspection.

 

so do i just get an ecu from an older civic?

 

what car do u have? from ur avatar looks like a civic or RSX. if u have a 2000 and older car then just get a OBD1 ecu with jumper harness and run crome,uberdata,hondata,neptune. simple solution. just do like what was stated:keep ur stock injectors and ecu and plug them in when u r gonna get inspected. thats what i do

 

ok well does the tuner/shop install chrome/uberdata and such or is it a physical plug in? also are there any prob. when you put your old ecu in for inspection?

 

uberdata/crome/neptune/hondata all use OBD1 ecu's. u need to socket or chip the ecu. the chip u install in the ecu is what they use to tune the car with. it programs all the fuel and igniton maps plus rev limits, vtec points, etc.

u can look for a chipped ecu on ebay or right here on honda-tech, then get a basemap for ur setup and find someone around ur area that tunes the prgram u have. u MUST find someone who can tune that specific program u have (crome, uberdata, etc)

when u plug in ur stock OBDII ecu u will need to install the stock injectors back in. (if u r run n bigger injectors that r low impedance u will need to use a resistor box. but when it comes time to put ur stock injectors back in - high impedance, u will need to by pass the resistor box. I've seen people wire in the resistor box and also keep the stock injector wiring still attached so when it comes time to get inspected, they just unplg the bigger injectors, put the stock ones in and plug them right in. complete plug and play)