i was recently in a b16 da w/ an sc61, and let me tell you that thing takes for ever to spool. don't get me wrong, when it gets past 6000rpm, its feels like a bitch slap. but, below that, it feels so sluggish and laggy that i almost changed my mind about turbocharging my car. don't listen to the sc61 bandwagon jumpers, unless you are a dyno *****. if you don't plan on dragging on the reg, then the sc61 is totally overrated and a complete mismatch for the majority of us enthusiasts. and to think, i almost cracked out some big paper for that turbo. my other friend with a greddy'd up 18g b16 feels about 10 car lengths faster. when searching for a turbo, choose wisely. select something that is more suited for your style of driving. i think that t3's .48/.63 seem to spool very hard and make good power on the 16. i don't know about the sc34, but, i'm sure it is much better suited for the 16 because it is smaller. just my $0.02.

 

mine made plenty of power in a B18

 

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holy ****!!!where did you come from.did you get deported or something?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by completeE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Go with the SC34, dynoed a sc34 @11psi it put down 314rwhp on a gsr motor and is very streetable</TD></TR></TABLE>

do you mean fwhp?

before this thread i was making plans to get an sc61 in the distant future when i have enough money to get a new car+engine swap, but now i'll go sc34

 

this guy just hit 284whp with a crazy *** torque curve with his GT32E. If I hadnt already installed my t3/to4e id have gotten it. https://honda-tech.com/zero...75763 . just research the dyno graphs of people with your same setup and see what appeals to you. and ya for street you will be much happier with a smaller turbo.

 

For a street driven, stock motor car i would stick with the sc34 or a garrett .57 trim/.63a/r.

With the .57trim garrett i made 310hp/236tq @ 8psi w/a stock internal LS/VTEC and was running consistent 12.30's a 117mph w/1.80 60's all in a full interior 95 EX coupe.

 

wow i was just about to buy a SC61, im glad i did a little more research. SC34 all the way now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by braintree &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm speaking relatively. The sc61 is more efficient than the sc34. Of course, the sc34 is by no means a slacker past 12, its just that there are more efficient turbos out there around that number. Sorry, I was too general with my statment.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're still on crack...the SC34 is probably just getting into the meat of its efficiency range at 12psi & should last well up to 20 or maybe higher...

Read the maps brotha

 

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I got my sc61 for $675 shipped to my door. with spool times similar to an sc34. plus the harder hitting power. I see no reason to choose a sc34 over an sc61. unless your motor is and will stay completely stock.

 

I have a sc34 on my GSR. I studied and searched for a good 3 months to pick my turbo, I found this to be the best for my goals of 250-300whp for the street. Its got great spool time and still pulls very hard up top. I couldn't be any more happy, I recommend it

 

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holy ****!!!where did you come from.did you get deported or something?</TD></TR></TABLE>


I have been very busy and did not have anytime to get on the CPU.

 

i have an SC34 on my stock JDM B16, ended up with like 233-245 to the tires @ 10psi, when does the SC34 start to get into it's efficiency range? I never understood a compressor map

 

Somethings not right LostSolVTEC, we just made 246whp @6.5lbs today with a b16 and an SC34.

 

yeah, anyone have a link on how to read a compressor map? And how does a sc50 compare to a garret and what kind of spool would you see on a b16 or b18b?

 

i know something isn't right, but me and Boosted-Hybrid can't figure out why it won't make more power Motor has 30K....comp came up 220, 220, 238, 235

here's the link to it http://www.boosted-hybrid.com/viewtopic.php?t=1038

 

02viclx,

I meant fwhp, the car had hondata with 580cc injectors, sc34, 2.5" downpipe, and complete engineering AC manifold.

 

Thanks for comments everyone!

I bought a Precision SC34 .69

Can't wait to get turbo installed

 

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Don't feel bad, my 9:1 b16a only made 265 WHP at 14 psi.

 

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with spool times similar to an sc34. plus the harder hitting power. I see no reason to choose a sc34 over an sc61. unless your motor is and will stay completely stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have never been in a SC34 powered car, but having ridden in basic t3/t4 B16's, and my own SC61'd B16 I think its a far stretch to imply that the SC61 has similar spool times. I do agree though, that in a straight up drag race, the 61 will win over the 34. Around town though, my SC61 is boring. Wow, cant believe I just said that, lol. I have more than once considered putting my 60/63 T3 back on until my new engine build is complete. Being able to roll on in 3rd from low speed and put 150-200ft-lbs down from 3.5k up dramatically changes your daily driving experience.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i was recently in a b16 da w/ an sc61, and let me tell you that thing takes for ever to spool. don't get me wrong, when it gets past 6000rpm, its feels like a bitch slap. but, below that, it feels so sluggish and laggy that i almost changed my mind </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats pretty a accurate way to put it. A roll on in 3rd is pretty much ho-hum till switch-over and 6K. I wouldnt call it a bitch slap though, maybe a jet sounding freight train.

Cliff Notes: Fastest in a straight line SC61, more enjoyable for 95% of your daily drive SC34. This is B16 exclusive of course.





Modified by leed at 6:06 AM 9/18/2004

 

Awsome thread -- lot of good inputs

 

Damn, I wish I would have come across this thread before I bought my SC61. I am currently finishing up my block (JDM ITR, Benson 84mm sleeves, Cp 9:1 pistons, Eagle H-beams, Hondata S200B, Precision 780cc injectors, etc, and of course the SC61). My hp goal is to hit 400 wheel hp and to be able to run an 11 in the quarter. I do like to do an occasional highway run against an ls1 and such. I hope I didn't make a mis-match by purchasing this turbo for my setup.

Good thread though.

 

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Remember, several of us are commenting on B16 spool up. Your 84mm is gonna aid spool up considerably.
I purchased my SC61 because I am builing a 2l, I found one for a good deal, and Im willing to sacrifice some bottom/mid range streetability for more top end.
I put it on the B16 to try it out.

 

im running a b18b with t3/t4...now i have built my internals and wondering how the the sc34 differs...better or worse, sorry not trying to be a thread jacker, pushing about 16psi

 

rear wheel gsr...in what?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by donkiman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this guy just hit 284whp with a crazy *** torque curve with his GT32E. If I hadnt already installed my t3/to4e id have gotten it. https://honda-tech.com/zero...75763 . just research the dyno graphs of people with your same setup and see what appeals to you. and ya for street you will be much happier with a smaller turbo. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just? That setup is loooong gone. Anyway.. . .
I have a GT32E and I love that turbo. I see 7.5psi a little before 5k (b16a, GSR head) and I'm making 263whp and 170 wtq @7.5psi. I have no regrets with chosing this turbo, and yes, my car is daily driven on the street.