too rich equals detonation..
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too rich equals detonation..
my turbo d16 recently blew up at 10psi because one of the couplers came off at the turbo. This is because of flooding in the engine bay right?
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (project civic)
THE COUPLER PROBABLY BLEW OFF BECAUSE THE CLAMPS WERENT SECURE ENOUGH OR YOU USED SOME SILICONE BASED LUBE TO PUT THEM ON THE CHARGE PIPES. TRUST ME ITS HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE NOT BECAUSE OF FLOODING IN THE ENGINE BAY . UNLESS YOU MEANT WATER ITS POSSIBLE IT MESSED UP THE CLAMPS.
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (project civic)
blew up meaning a hole in my block. And yeah i used home depot couplers which ive learned my lesson. Those clamps were tightened to the max and the couplers were 4 bucks a piece!....anyways i think the flooding of the engine is what blew up my motor when the coupler blew off of the turbo. Nothing else explains it.
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how about this explanation:
your boost was turned up so high that it blew the coupling right off, but not before it blew a hole in your block. is that a reasonable explanation?
a flooded engine (running too rich) will not run.
your boost was turned up so high that it blew the coupling right off, but not before it blew a hole in your block. is that a reasonable explanation?
a flooded engine (running too rich) will not run.
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (project civic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo E »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how about this explanation:
your boost was turned up so high that it blew the coupling right off, but not before it blew a hole in your block. is that a reasonable explanation?
a flooded engine (running too rich) will not run.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i heard the coupling blow off but i didnt know it was a coupling and ignored it because my car always backfires anyways and 5 secs after it comes off im still flooring it then kaaabooom. Now wouldnt that sound like the fuel flooding the engine and since the turbo coupling came off there would be a huge lack in air compared to the amount of fuel coming out at WOT? Like using 450cc injectors tuned for boost and running it suddenly on a N/A setup at WOt.
your boost was turned up so high that it blew the coupling right off, but not before it blew a hole in your block. is that a reasonable explanation?
a flooded engine (running too rich) will not run.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i heard the coupling blow off but i didnt know it was a coupling and ignored it because my car always backfires anyways and 5 secs after it comes off im still flooring it then kaaabooom. Now wouldnt that sound like the fuel flooding the engine and since the turbo coupling came off there would be a huge lack in air compared to the amount of fuel coming out at WOT? Like using 450cc injectors tuned for boost and running it suddenly on a N/A setup at WOt.
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (project civic)
If you're running an FMU it wouldnt be running rich because there was no boost present after you blew your coupling. If there's no boost the FMU doesn't affect anything.
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (scartail)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by scartail »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">could it be the FMU (if ur running one)?</TD></TR></TABLE>
if he was using an FMU, when the pipe blew off the FMU would not at any fuel pressure. Once he blew the pipe off, he's not going to be boosting any more. the fmu raises fuel pressure according to boost. so thats no it
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo E »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how about this explanation:
your boost was turned up so high that it blew the coupling right off, but not before it blew a hole in your block. is that a reasonable explanation?
a flooded engine (running too rich) will not run.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I can believe think happened.
if he was using an FMU, when the pipe blew off the FMU would not at any fuel pressure. Once he blew the pipe off, he's not going to be boosting any more. the fmu raises fuel pressure according to boost. so thats no it
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo E »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how about this explanation:
your boost was turned up so high that it blew the coupling right off, but not before it blew a hole in your block. is that a reasonable explanation?
a flooded engine (running too rich) will not run.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I can believe think happened.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by project civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyways i think the flooding of the engine is what blew up my motor when the coupler blew off of the turbo. Nothing else explains it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Including what you just said.
Over rich will kill the plugs, generate a number of misfires and eventually kill the spark altogether. It won't put a hole in your block.
Including what you just said.
Over rich will kill the plugs, generate a number of misfires and eventually kill the spark altogether. It won't put a hole in your block.
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (project civic)
I wasnt using a fmu, only a safc set at -37 to -40 across the board and was boosting fine till i hit 10psi and thats when the coupler popped off and the car still at wot shot out a piston.
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (Tactic$)
Yeah I use to run the hack in my car....It sucked major ballz. Blowing a hole in the block...yeah its possible., due to improper tuning and running a high boost (high boost meaning anything above 7psi without proper tuning) setting on top of that.
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I agree running rich would foul out sensors not cause detonation, and it would cause it to bog down with too much fuel. And not blow the engine thats for sure.
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Think about it man...you shouldn't have even hit a rich condition in the first place. If your coupler blows off then you aren't boosting anything and your ecu isn't even going to be reading off the portions of the maps that would be dumping in excess fuel for boost.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another victim of stupidity, your car always backfires? and you're cool with that? and you thought a rich mixture blew your motor up?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Whats wrong with backfiring?? just means im runnng a tad rich and a whole bunch of turbo people here have the same symptoms. An no im not cool with that, its just happens to be a part of the tuning up stages. But i will take the blame of being an idiot when i choose to use some cheap home depot couplers. But theres still no clear answers to my question of how my engine blew up. SAFC hack but how? advanced timing? im using a msd BTM to composate for the advance.
Whats wrong with backfiring?? just means im runnng a tad rich and a whole bunch of turbo people here have the same symptoms. An no im not cool with that, its just happens to be a part of the tuning up stages. But i will take the blame of being an idiot when i choose to use some cheap home depot couplers. But theres still no clear answers to my question of how my engine blew up. SAFC hack but how? advanced timing? im using a msd BTM to composate for the advance.
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (project civic)
your car would stumble if you ran rich. if you blew a coupler off you have a map sensor it won't do anything, especially a coupler that's way down away from the throttle body. it'll just suck in air just like a stock car.
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (mamaboy)
blowing a coupler off happens to most of us boosted guys all the time. nothing happens from it. something else killed your motor, not the coupler coming off
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (Turboaddict)
was it common for you to blow off couplers before this?
How much boost were you running?
What kind of boost controller?
What kind of wastegate?
What manifold?
Have you ever had boost spike/creep issues with your setup?
Did you tune with a wideband?
Funny I can already predict most of these answers and come up with a good assumption of what happened to your car... Seen this way too many times...
How much boost were you running?
What kind of boost controller?
What kind of wastegate?
What manifold?
Have you ever had boost spike/creep issues with your setup?
Did you tune with a wideband?
Funny I can already predict most of these answers and come up with a good assumption of what happened to your car... Seen this way too many times...
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Re: too rich equals detonation.. (Turboaddict)
I agree, I've blow one of my couplers off twice now but nothing happens. You just lose all boost and the car feels N/A again (thats an evil feeling I never want to experience again haha)