technical comparison of FullRace Topmount vs Lovefab Topmount
12-06-2005, 04:49 AM
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technical comparison of FullRace Topmount vs Lovefab Topmount
In the last days I saw some pictures of the FullRace topmount manifolds and also of the Lovefab topmounts (on theire websited).
I donīt want to discuss the welding quality!
But I noticed a big difference in theire designs. The Lovefab looks "nicer" and easier to fabricate while the FullRace looks much more comlicate to fabricate and the runners seems to cross each other in some areas.
An other thing that I noticed is that the cylinders of the Lovefab lead into other positions of the collector than the FullRace oneīs.
Can somebody explain (maybe the companies) why they choose these designs where Iīm sure that every company regards its own as best?
I donīt want to discuss the welding quality!
But I noticed a big difference in theire designs. The Lovefab looks "nicer" and easier to fabricate while the FullRace looks much more comlicate to fabricate and the runners seems to cross each other in some areas.
An other thing that I noticed is that the cylinders of the Lovefab lead into other positions of the collector than the FullRace oneīs.
Can somebody explain (maybe the companies) why they choose these designs where Iīm sure that every company regards its own as best?
12-06-2005, 06:03 AM
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Re: technical comparison of FullRace Topmount vs Lovefab Topmount (Arturbo)
*braces for the upcoming marketing war*
j/k but imo both are from great camps and you'll be pleased with either. If I had to bet it more than likely comes down to how each was developed with a little "personal taste" added on for flavor to the end product.
j/k but imo both are from great camps and you'll be pleased with either. If I had to bet it more than likely comes down to how each was developed with a little "personal taste" added on for flavor to the end product.
12-06-2005, 07:08 AM
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Re: technical comparison of FullRace Topmount vs Lovefab Topmount (stackz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stackz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">*braces for the upcoming marketing war*</TD></TR></TABLE> 
12-06-2005, 07:29 AM
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Re: technical comparison of FullRace Topmount vs Lovefab Topmount (Smokinsax)
I hope it wonīt become a marketing war.
Iīm really interested in the technical background.
Iīm really interested in the technical background.
12-06-2005, 07:50 AM
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Re: technical comparison of FullRace Topmount vs Lovefab Topmount (hondaapi)
Geoff flow tests his stuff. I dont think Cody does or has the equip to. But works off theory.
I always liked Cody's work and have no gripes about it, but there is more time that goes into Geoff's designs
I always liked Cody's work and have no gripes about it, but there is more time that goes into Geoff's designs
12-06-2005, 08:42 AM
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IMHO, if someone did a perfect comparison (IE no changes in setup other than the manifold) and dyno'd the car, the results would be so close you couldn't even tell.
But thats just me.
But thats just me.
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12-06-2005, 01:04 PM
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One-Fab uses Anti-Magnetic Stainless material for their manifolds. Since they came up with that description first theirs is better. lol
I havent seen a large gain from one tubular manifold to the next.
I havent seen a large gain from one tubular manifold to the next.
12-06-2005, 04:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by st00pid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One-Fab uses Anti-Magnetic Stainless material for their manifolds. Since they came up with that description first theirs is better. lol
I havent seen a large gain from one tubular manifold to the next.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly. When it all comes down to it, it's just a bunch of marketing gimmicks.
I'm sure the Robotic tig gives Full-Race the extreem quality advantage here though.
I havent seen a large gain from one tubular manifold to the next.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly. When it all comes down to it, it's just a bunch of marketing gimmicks.
I'm sure the Robotic tig gives Full-Race the extreem quality advantage here though.
12-06-2005, 05:18 PM
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Re: Re: (Bryson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bryson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Exactly. When it all comes down to it, it's just a bunch of marketing gimmicks.
I'm sure the Robotic tig gives Full-Race the extreem quality advantage here though. </TD></TR></TABLE>
from what i understand fr doesnt do the welding in house (didnt hear it from me, lol) they are both equally decent manifolds. lovefab costs less and has better wg placement imo
Exactly. When it all comes down to it, it's just a bunch of marketing gimmicks.
I'm sure the Robotic tig gives Full-Race the extreem quality advantage here though. </TD></TR></TABLE>
from what i understand fr doesnt do the welding in house (didnt hear it from me, lol) they are both equally decent manifolds. lovefab costs less and has better wg placement imo
12-06-2005, 06:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from what i understand fr doesnt do the welding in house </TD></TR></TABLE>
You're joking, right?
You're joking, right?
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Re: Re: (wantboost)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, i've been told by umerous people that they dont do alot of the manifolds in house.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There's a saying that goes...don't believe everything you hear. Trust me, they do all their welding in house.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">btw nice feature in dsport
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Thanks! You can check out the car with the turbo K-series motor in it in the February issue of Honda Tuning (at least that's the tentative date
).
There's a saying that goes...don't believe everything you hear. Trust me, they do all their welding in house.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">btw nice feature in dsport
</TD></TR></TABLE>Thanks! You can check out the car with the turbo K-series motor in it in the February issue of Honda Tuning (at least that's the tentative date
).
12-06-2005, 06:15 PM
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Re: Re: (Andrea)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Andrea »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks! You can check out the car with the turbo K-series motor in it in the February issue of Honda Tuning (at least that's the tentative date ). </TD></TR></TABLE>
Its going K-series again? Or was the article written before you switched back?
). </TD></TR></TABLE>Its going K-series again? Or was the article written before you switched back?
12-06-2005, 06:17 PM
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i've seen the robotic tig machine in person.
in terms of products, quality, and value... i would say FR wins hands down.
FR does not put products out that don't work or work poorly. their quality has always been top notch from day 1.
lovefab on the other hand...
learned to weld on his customer's dime. remember when his welds were all black, overheated, and contaminated? yet he thought that was fine?
bad products... sidewinder v1, v2, v4, v eleventy billion seventy five... cast sidewinder...
case closed... i dont know how a company can put out such ill concieved and poorly executed products and still get praise.
just facts. not hating.
in terms of products, quality, and value... i would say FR wins hands down.
FR does not put products out that don't work or work poorly. their quality has always been top notch from day 1.
lovefab on the other hand...
learned to weld on his customer's dime. remember when his welds were all black, overheated, and contaminated? yet he thought that was fine?
bad products... sidewinder v1, v2, v4, v eleventy billion seventy five... cast sidewinder...
case closed... i dont know how a company can put out such ill concieved and poorly executed products and still get praise.
just facts. not hating.
12-06-2005, 06:28 PM
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Re: Re: (daveG)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by daveG »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its going K-series again? Or was the article written before you switched back?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It was shot before we switched to the b-series.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SEFIxCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've seen the robotic tig machine in person.
in terms of products, quality, and value... i would say FR wins hands down.
FR does not put products out that don't work or work poorly. their quality has always been top notch from day 1.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Couldn't have said it better
It was shot before we switched to the b-series.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SEFIxCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've seen the robotic tig machine in person.
in terms of products, quality, and value... i would say FR wins hands down.
FR does not put products out that don't work or work poorly. their quality has always been top notch from day 1.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Couldn't have said it better
12-06-2005, 08:34 PM
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Re: Re: (SEFIxCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SEFIxCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've seen the robotic tig machine in person.
in terms of products, quality, and value... i would say FR wins hands down.
FR does not put products out that don't work or work poorly. their quality has always been top notch from day 1.
lovefab on the other hand...
learned to weld on his customer's dime. remember when his welds were all black, overheated, and contaminated? yet he thought that was fine?
bad products... sidewinder v1, v2, v4, v eleventy billion seventy five... cast sidewinder...
case closed... i dont know how a company can put out such ill concieved and poorly executed products and still get praise.
just facts. not hating.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't look at in that way at all. Think about where Full-Race was after the first couple years they started selling manifolds... I'm sure they had some screw ups; after all, were all human. Cody is only 21, and has GREAT success selling his products. Full-Race is just a more mature Love-Fab company with more knowledge, technology and capital at it's leisure. That isn't to say however, that Cody's product isn't worth every penny.
in terms of products, quality, and value... i would say FR wins hands down.
FR does not put products out that don't work or work poorly. their quality has always been top notch from day 1.
lovefab on the other hand...
learned to weld on his customer's dime. remember when his welds were all black, overheated, and contaminated? yet he thought that was fine?
bad products... sidewinder v1, v2, v4, v eleventy billion seventy five... cast sidewinder...
case closed... i dont know how a company can put out such ill concieved and poorly executed products and still get praise.
just facts. not hating.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't look at in that way at all. Think about where Full-Race was after the first couple years they started selling manifolds... I'm sure they had some screw ups; after all, were all human. Cody is only 21, and has GREAT success selling his products. Full-Race is just a more mature Love-Fab company with more knowledge, technology and capital at it's leisure. That isn't to say however, that Cody's product isn't worth every penny.
12-06-2005, 08:45 PM
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Geoff have someone else welding the manifolds when Full-Race first started out so that there wouldn't be issues with welds?
12-06-2005, 08:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SEFIxCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FR was just as small before...
the difference is Geon knew how to weld from the start.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok...but what does that have to do with them now? That isn't to say that he must be a better welder just because he has been welding for a longer period of time.
I have had two of cody's manifolds, and they were both top notch.
the difference is Geon knew how to weld from the start.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok...but what does that have to do with them now? That isn't to say that he must be a better welder just because he has been welding for a longer period of time.
I have had two of cody's manifolds, and they were both top notch.