taking out the a/c
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Re: (EnzoSpeed)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnzoSpeed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How about you go kill yourself for being ignorant? Stop thinking you know what you're talking about because you did a quick google search.
134a is called "Green" gas for a reason - it's environmentally friendly. That's the whole reason why it replaced R12 in the early 90's. That's also why it's illegal to dump R12 into the atmosphere but perfectly legal to dump 134a.
Do you think airsoft guns would be dumping millions of pounds of this gas into the air if posed a problem to the environment?
P.S. link does't work
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I don't THINK I know the answer.. I DO know the answer. If I killed myself, then who would help to put people like you spreading false info in thier place?
1). I have taken the test and am certified to handle and purchase refrigerant (EPA certified). Make me a god? No. Means I did a little more homework then you? Certainly.
2). Being a professional mechanic, I would think I would have at least SOME grasp of the laws. More then the average do it yourself shadetree mechanic.
3). You argue much with the EPA? See if this link works for you..
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/faq.html
Ok, if it doesn't. Here is a quote. Directly from the horses mouth. It leaves no room for interpretation. Again, you don't know what you are talking about, and this proves it.
"Can I vent HFC-134a refrigerant?
It is illegal under Section 608 of the Clean Air Act to knowingly vent substitute refrigerants during any service, maintenance, repair or disposal of an appliance."
If you spend some time educating yourself, you will find that 134a DOES have effects on the environment. It simply does not have as adverse of an effect as R12. That doesn't mean its completely safe, just less damaging. Of course it would be ruled the "standard" being that it is SAFER, but by no means does this make it "OK" to vent.
How about you go kill yourself for being ignorant? Stop thinking you know what you're talking about because you did a quick google search.
134a is called "Green" gas for a reason - it's environmentally friendly. That's the whole reason why it replaced R12 in the early 90's. That's also why it's illegal to dump R12 into the atmosphere but perfectly legal to dump 134a.
Do you think airsoft guns would be dumping millions of pounds of this gas into the air if posed a problem to the environment?
P.S. link does't work
</TD></TR></TABLE>I don't THINK I know the answer.. I DO know the answer. If I killed myself, then who would help to put people like you spreading false info in thier place?
1). I have taken the test and am certified to handle and purchase refrigerant (EPA certified). Make me a god? No. Means I did a little more homework then you? Certainly.
2). Being a professional mechanic, I would think I would have at least SOME grasp of the laws. More then the average do it yourself shadetree mechanic.
3). You argue much with the EPA? See if this link works for you..
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/faq.html
Ok, if it doesn't. Here is a quote. Directly from the horses mouth. It leaves no room for interpretation. Again, you don't know what you are talking about, and this proves it.
"Can I vent HFC-134a refrigerant?
It is illegal under Section 608 of the Clean Air Act to knowingly vent substitute refrigerants during any service, maintenance, repair or disposal of an appliance."
If you spend some time educating yourself, you will find that 134a DOES have effects on the environment. It simply does not have as adverse of an effect as R12. That doesn't mean its completely safe, just less damaging. Of course it would be ruled the "standard" being that it is SAFER, but by no means does this make it "OK" to vent.
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Re: (Hybrid93Eg)
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"Can I vent HFC-134a refrigerant?
It is illegal under Section 608 of the Clean Air Act to knowingly vent substitute refrigerants during any service, maintenance, repair or disposal of an appliance."</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wow, that's a specific law. So it's illegal for a few Joe mechanics to vent their a/c systems, but it's not illegal for millions of airsoft players to dump millions of pounds of the exact same gas on a daily basis. The EPA needs to work on that one.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> If you spend some time educating yourself, you will find that 134a DOES have effects on the environment. It simply does not have as adverse of an effect as R12. That doesn't mean its completely safe, just less damaging. Of course it would be ruled the "standard" being that it is SAFER, but by no means does this make it "OK" to vent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I did read a bunch of articles on 134a. Everything talked about how harmful it "could" be or what damage it "likely" does. But in the end, it's nothing significant. Car exhaust is worse.
"Can I vent HFC-134a refrigerant?
It is illegal under Section 608 of the Clean Air Act to knowingly vent substitute refrigerants during any service, maintenance, repair or disposal of an appliance."</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wow, that's a specific law. So it's illegal for a few Joe mechanics to vent their a/c systems, but it's not illegal for millions of airsoft players to dump millions of pounds of the exact same gas on a daily basis. The EPA needs to work on that one.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> If you spend some time educating yourself, you will find that 134a DOES have effects on the environment. It simply does not have as adverse of an effect as R12. That doesn't mean its completely safe, just less damaging. Of course it would be ruled the "standard" being that it is SAFER, but by no means does this make it "OK" to vent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I did read a bunch of articles on 134a. Everything talked about how harmful it "could" be or what damage it "likely" does. But in the end, it's nothing significant. Car exhaust is worse.
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Re: (EnzoSpeed)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnzoSpeed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Wow, that's a specific law. So it's illegal for a few Joe mechanics to vent their a/c systems, but it's not illegal for millions of airsoft players to dump millions of pounds of the exact same gas on a daily basis. The EPA needs to work on that one.
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Yes, its a specific law that you stated was wrong. I like your response though. Just "wow".. Not "Well maybe I was wrong". Way to take responsability for your out of control mouth.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnzoSpeed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I did read a bunch of articles on 134a. Everything talked about how harmful it "could" be or what damage it "likely" does. But in the end, it's nothing significant. Car exhaust is worse.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, there are several documented sources stating that while it does not deplete the ozone like R12, it does contribute to global warming. Understand the chemical composition of it and you should get the idea. As far as the "airsoft" guns, I am not familiar with them so I could not answer this. I don't make the laws, I just play by them. Email the EPA and ask what the deal is since its such a problem in your eyes. Airsoft guns don't change the way I do my job, so I am not concerned about them.
Wow, that's a specific law. So it's illegal for a few Joe mechanics to vent their a/c systems, but it's not illegal for millions of airsoft players to dump millions of pounds of the exact same gas on a daily basis. The EPA needs to work on that one.
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Yes, its a specific law that you stated was wrong. I like your response though. Just "wow".. Not "Well maybe I was wrong". Way to take responsability for your out of control mouth.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnzoSpeed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I did read a bunch of articles on 134a. Everything talked about how harmful it "could" be or what damage it "likely" does. But in the end, it's nothing significant. Car exhaust is worse.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, there are several documented sources stating that while it does not deplete the ozone like R12, it does contribute to global warming. Understand the chemical composition of it and you should get the idea. As far as the "airsoft" guns, I am not familiar with them so I could not answer this. I don't make the laws, I just play by them. Email the EPA and ask what the deal is since its such a problem in your eyes. Airsoft guns don't change the way I do my job, so I am not concerned about them.
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Re: (Hybrid93Eg)
I don't know if anyone has seen that episode of "Dirty Jobs" on the discovery channel, when the guy goes to work at a junk yard or someplace and he gets shown how to tear out a motor. From what I saw, the guy just cut the A/C line and let it vent out, I wonder if he got busted for that. According to a Wikipedia entry, R134a is not an Ozone depleting gas, but I took that A/C refridgerant test for the EPA and I know it's illegal to vent gas in cars.
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Re: (Hybrid93Eg)
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I don't THINK I know the answer.. I DO know the answer. If I killed myself, then who would help to put people like you spreading false info in thier place?
1). I have taken the test and am certified to handle and purchase refrigerant (EPA certified). Make me a god? No. Means I did a little more homework then you? Certainly.
2). Being a professional mechanic, I would think I would have at least SOME grasp of the laws. More then the average do it yourself shadetree mechanic.
3). You argue much with the EPA? See if this link works for you..
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/faq.html
Ok, if it doesn't. Here is a quote. Directly from the horses mouth. It leaves no room for interpretation. Again, you don't know what you are talking about, and this proves it.
"Can I vent HFC-134a refrigerant?
It is illegal under Section 608 of the Clean Air Act to knowingly vent substitute refrigerants during any service, maintenance, repair or disposal of an appliance."
If you spend some time educating yourself, you will find that 134a DOES have effects on the environment. It simply does not have as adverse of an effect as R12. That doesn't mean its completely safe, just less damaging. Of course it would be ruled the "standard" being that it is SAFER, but by no means does this make it "OK" to vent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nice research by the way.
EDIT: Woo hoo, 1400!
I don't THINK I know the answer.. I DO know the answer. If I killed myself, then who would help to put people like you spreading false info in thier place?
1). I have taken the test and am certified to handle and purchase refrigerant (EPA certified). Make me a god? No. Means I did a little more homework then you? Certainly.
2). Being a professional mechanic, I would think I would have at least SOME grasp of the laws. More then the average do it yourself shadetree mechanic.
3). You argue much with the EPA? See if this link works for you..
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/608/faq.html
Ok, if it doesn't. Here is a quote. Directly from the horses mouth. It leaves no room for interpretation. Again, you don't know what you are talking about, and this proves it.
"Can I vent HFC-134a refrigerant?
It is illegal under Section 608 of the Clean Air Act to knowingly vent substitute refrigerants during any service, maintenance, repair or disposal of an appliance."
If you spend some time educating yourself, you will find that 134a DOES have effects on the environment. It simply does not have as adverse of an effect as R12. That doesn't mean its completely safe, just less damaging. Of course it would be ruled the "standard" being that it is SAFER, but by no means does this make it "OK" to vent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nice research by the way.
EDIT: Woo hoo, 1400!
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