Stock for stock,which is the most reliable boosted b-series?
09-19-2003, 03:01 PM
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Re: Stock for stock,which is the most reliable boosted b-series? (miksew)
LS motors are easier, not better. I mean for some people easier might mean the same thing as better...like for me I guess it does. If you've got money for good ignition and fuel control then you don't really need things to be easier.
The reason they 'build more boost' is because the head flows more poorly than the 16a, c1, c5 heads. They will make less power at the same pressure.
The reason they 'build more boost' is because the head flows more poorly than the 16a, c1, c5 heads. They will make less power at the same pressure.
09-19-2003, 03:17 PM
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Re: Stock for stock,which is the most reliable boosted b-series? (mos)
i think now a days either bseries motor can make pretty damn good gains with stock internals........ there are b18b's making 270-300whp stock internals... and same goes for the rest of the b-series..... it all depends more on ur setup around the motor....like the turbo, manifold, exhaust setup, manigment, tuning... and so on...
as far as reliablity b18b's and b20's have low comrpession... so u can boost em at say 6-10 psi and ot have to worry too much......but if u got a decent fuel setup any of the bseries can be equally reliable at these boost levels... just costs a little more to get there.
with that being said...b18b's are pretty cheep....b16's are pretty cheep as well..
as far as reliablity b18b's and b20's have low comrpession... so u can boost em at say 6-10 psi and ot have to worry too much......but if u got a decent fuel setup any of the bseries can be equally reliable at these boost levels... just costs a little more to get there.
with that being said...b18b's are pretty cheep....b16's are pretty cheep as well..
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09-19-2003, 07:04 PM
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I would def. agree. I made 420whp at 22psi on a stock internal gsr block, I dont think you would be able to push the ls/b20 bottoms that far due to the weaker rods.
09-19-2003, 07:22 PM
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Re: (boosted hybrid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted hybrid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would def. agree. I made 420whp at 22psi on a stock internal gsr block, I dont think you would be able to push the ls/b20 bottoms that far due to the weaker rods.</TD></TR></TABLE>
uhh damn............ how the hell did u pull that off... ive never heard of such insane boost on a stock internal b series motor. u did absolutly nothing to the block or head?
uhh damn............ how the hell did u pull that off... ive never heard of such insane boost on a stock internal b series motor. u did absolutly nothing to the block or head?
09-19-2003, 09:16 PM
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Re: (boosted hybrid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted hybrid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would def. agree. I made 420whp at 22psi on a stock internal gsr block, I dont think you would be able to push the ls/b20 bottoms that far due to the weaker rods.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Whaaaaaattttttt ????? I never heard that before. If true that **** is insane man !!!!!
Whaaaaaattttttt ????? I never heard that before. If true that **** is insane man !!!!!
09-20-2003, 05:31 AM
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Re: (blown_LS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blown_LS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Whaaaaaattttttt ????? I never heard that before. If true that **** is insane man !!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
what planet are you guys from??? haha. there are alot of people running huge number with stock blocks. most are b18c1 blocks.
Whaaaaaattttttt ????? I never heard that before. If true that **** is insane man !!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
what planet are you guys from??? haha. there are alot of people running huge number with stock blocks. most are b18c1 blocks.
09-20-2003, 05:34 AM
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Thicker headgasket, arp headstuds are the only mods to the block. Its just good tuning, nothing more. St00pid was running high 10's stock block gsr a few years before I was pushing 400whp level.
09-20-2003, 05:57 AM
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ok, I may quit hating on the C1 now. 420 is AWESOME on stock block. May be worth paying more for th engine and stuff. How long did it last on that kind of HP??
09-20-2003, 06:18 AM
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I ran the engine for around 3 months. I pulled the engine to install a built block. The built block had issues, the stock block has been in ever since. I am making 355whp @11psi, pump gas right now on the same block:
Over winter break I am going to turn it some more and see if I can hit 450whp on race gas.
Over winter break I am going to turn it some more and see if I can hit 450whp on race gas.
09-20-2003, 07:31 AM
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Re: Stock for stock,which is the most reliable boosted b-series? (Turboracer01)
Well I enjoy my LS I have as much torque as boosted-hybrid made but not the horspower. I like the LS becuase it's boost friendly. This is what gets me. Some people knock the LS becuase they say it's not better for boost, but when people turbo charge GSR and they want high boost, why do they go lower compression? That's why i think the ls is good. As long as the tuner is there wont be any problems but I just enjoy not having to worry about high compression. Or WHn i do bulid a block I can keep stoc compression and not worry, if not go a little higher with compression.
09-20-2003, 07:35 AM
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I lower the compression with the gsr block so I can run more boost on the street, and make more power on pump gas. Running more boost will help get the compressor into its efficiency range. Compression is about where you want to make the power on pump gas or race gas.
09-20-2003, 07:46 AM
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I agree on the gsr. The only reason I do not have one in my hatch is because of the cost. It definitely has the most potential over the b18b/b16a/b20. Higher compression, better flowing head, high redline, oil squirters, girdle, etc., you get the idea.
09-20-2003, 07:47 AM
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Re: Stock for stock,which is the most reliable boosted b-series? (boosted hybrid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted hybrid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I lower the compression with the gsr block so I can run more boost on the street, and make more power on pump gas. Running more boost will help get the compressor into its efficiency range. Compression is about where you want to make the power on pump gas or race gas.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I understand that. That's the raeson I chose LS I want is for pump gas results. everyday driving.
Yeah I understand that. That's the raeson I chose LS I want is for pump gas results. everyday driving.
09-20-2003, 07:53 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by highmilehatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree on the gsr. The only reason I do not have one in my hatch is because of the cost. It definitely has the most potential over the b18b/b16a/b20. Higher compression, better flowing head, high redline, oil squirters, girdle, etc., you get the idea.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah I know. I like the fact you can buy a hole LS motor for 4-6 hundred. I would take a B18C any day, I just like the LS becuase I like the Boost-friendliness
Yeah I know. I like the fact you can buy a hole LS motor for 4-6 hundred. I would take a B18C any day, I just like the LS becuase I like the Boost-friendliness
09-20-2003, 08:15 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jinxproof99 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what planet are you guys from??? haha. there are alot of people running huge number with stock blocks. most are b18c1 blocks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL
I love it when people say honda's can only handle 7-8psi on stock internals, not even realizing that 7-8 on one turbo is alot differnt that 7-8 on another...Around here (where fast honda's are scarce) people think im on crack running 12-14psi on a stock b16a (3mm headgasket, arp's)...Anyways i would agree, best engine for boost, b18c1
what planet are you guys from??? haha. there are alot of people running huge number with stock blocks. most are b18c1 blocks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL
I love it when people say honda's can only handle 7-8psi on stock internals, not even realizing that 7-8 on one turbo is alot differnt that 7-8 on another...Around here (where fast honda's are scarce) people think im on crack running 12-14psi on a stock b16a (3mm headgasket, arp's)...Anyways i would agree, best engine for boost, b18c1
09-20-2003, 09:23 AM
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Re: (Mpir3)
The one that is tuned.
Just to clarify the hp on stock block numbers above, these motors generally use thick headgaskets to lower the compression. Don't think you'll get 400+ on a completely stock (gaskets, everything) motor on pump gas. Even if you can do it on race gas with any sort of reliability that would be worth talking about.
Just to clarify the hp on stock block numbers above, these motors generally use thick headgaskets to lower the compression. Don't think you'll get 400+ on a completely stock (gaskets, everything) motor on pump gas. Even if you can do it on race gas with any sort of reliability that would be worth talking about.